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#1 Sep 22 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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The GOP launched Contract With America v2.0 entitled "Pledge to America" which you can read here is you're so inclined.

Nothing really groundbreaking or revolutionary in there. A bunch of vague promises, some hinky looking charts designed to look scarier than they are and general belly-aching about the Democrats. Still, maybe someone will find something interesting in its 21 pages.
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#2 Sep 22 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Excellent
I find it amusing that they promise to read all the bills put before Congress.

(I mean, it's pretty obvious that they weren't before, but still. They didn't have to come out and admit it.)
#3 Sep 22 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was amused that they codified their commitment to "Repeal & Replace" the health care bill. An impossible task for multiple reasons so they're pretty much just feeding the reader a line of bullshit.

Some have posited that the GOP could try to attach a provision to every bill before Congress repealing the act. But the Pledge plainly states that they will pass major legislation one issue at a time and will not bundle unpopular bills with "must pass" legislation.
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#4gbaji, Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 6:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The point is that the Democrats weren't reading the bills that *they* were passing and the GOP is promising not to do that.
#5 Sep 22 2010 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can read it that way, and that might be their point, but it's also very easy to read it the other way. They probably just missed it.
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#6 Sep 22 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nothing really groundbreaking or revolutionary in there. A bunch of vague promises, some hinky looking charts designed to look scarier than they are and general belly-aching


You've just described the rhetoric that's won every election in the history of democracy.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Nothing really groundbreaking or revolutionary in there. A bunch of vague promises, some hinky looking charts designed to look scarier than they are and general belly-aching

You've just described the rhetoric that's won every election in the history of democracy.

How can you be so cynical?? We're talking about politics here!
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Smasharoo wrote:
You've just described the rhetoric that's won every election in the history of democracy

Very deep. Not much of a conversation starter though.
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#9 Sep 22 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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#10gbaji, Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 8:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That is how it's read, and that is their point. Did you miss the massive complaints about Democrats not reading the bills they were voting on? It was kind of a big deal...
#11 Sep 22 2010 at 9:02 PM Rating: Good
Smasharoo wrote:
Nothing really groundbreaking or revolutionary in there. A bunch of vague promises, some hinky looking charts designed to look scarier than they are and general belly-aching

You've just described the rhetoric that's won every election in the history of democracy.


That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't it?
#12 Sep 22 2010 at 9:03 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Nothing really groundbreaking or revolutionary in there. A bunch of vague promises, some hinky looking charts designed to look scarier than they are and general belly-aching

You've just described the rhetoric that's won every election in the history of democracy.


That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't it?


Ya, at least one won because women could vote.
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#13 Sep 22 2010 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
That is how it's read
Well, clearly it's not always read that way.
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#14 Sep 22 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Good
With a name like this, I expect to be allowed to paddle every Republican while making them wear a duck costume and neon-green ladies' undergarments.

After a week of this, they will then be allowed to do kegstands.
#15 Sep 22 2010 at 11:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Washington Post's take on what the GOP promises and what they're likely to deliver.
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#16 Sep 23 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Very deep. Not much of a conversation starter though.


Not deep, just boring. Like the topic. What's the conversation supposed to be about, exactly? Shall we discuss these points of rhetoric being vapid, shallow, focus group generated, empty platitudes? They are. Shall we discuss if they will be wildly effective on a stupid lazy electorate that's voted for going on 300 years now to increase services while lowering taxes? They will be.

What sort of discussion was the topic really supposed to generate? Are going to play "let's pretend" and speculate about how different governing will be if legislators read the bills lobbyists write and direct them to vote for?
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#17 Sep 23 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:
What's the conversation supposed to be about, exactly?

Who cares, really? Sometimes you just throw stuff and see what sticks.

Be a shame to knock those Sept 10th topics off of page one without a good reason, though.
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#18 Sep 23 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
Haven't had a thread about my ***** for awhile.

Just sayin', guys.
#19 Sep 23 2010 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Have your ***** write something up and I'll see what I can do.
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#20 Sep 23 2010 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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You can read it that way, and that might be their point, but it's also very easy to read it the other way. They probably just missed it.


That is how it's read, and that is their point. Did you miss the massive complaints about Democrats not reading the bills they were voting on? It was kind of a big deal...
The Republicans weren't reading them either, but that's not such a big deal.
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#21 Sep 23 2010 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
[quote=Smasharoo] Sometimes you just throw stuff and see what sticks.
Cooked noodles, or properly wetted spitballs.
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#22REDACTED, Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#23 Sep 23 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Hill wrote:
Addressing a central criticism of the Republicans' new "Pledge to America," House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Thursday said he doesn't have the answer to solving Medicare's spending crisis.

To solve those problems, Boehner said, Congress will first have to initiate "an adult conversation" with voters, who will then decide what fixes to apply.

"It's time for us as Americans to have an adult conversation with each other about the serious challenges that face our country," Boehner said Thursday, responding directly to a question about entitlement solutions during the unveiling of the GOP "Pledge."

Well, hey, he's honest at least about the GOP not having a plan. Although talks of "adult discussions" from the group that gave us "OMG DEATH PANELS!!!" is pretty funny.
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#24 Sep 23 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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Haven't had a thread about my ***** for awhile.

Just sayin', guys.
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#25 Sep 23 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Jophed,

Granted it's not as catchy as "change you can believe in" but I think it'll get the message out.
"Clap On, Clap Off" woulda been better.
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#26 Sep 23 2010 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
This happened today:

"Starting now, insurance companies will no longer be permitted to exclude children because of pre-existing health conditions, which the White House said could enable 72,000 uninsured to gain coverage. Insurers also will be prohibited from imposing lifetime limits on benefits.

The law will now forbid insurers to drop sick and costly customers after discovering technical mistakes on applications. It requires that they offer coverage to children under 26 on their parents’ policies.

It establishes a menu of preventive procedures, like colonoscopies, mammograms and immunizations, that must be covered without co-payments. And it allows consumers who join a new plan to keep their own doctors and to appeal insurance company reimbursement decisions to a third party."

Source:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/health/policy/23careintro.html?ref=us

Although it is easy to find similar information from other sources.

And the pledge asks to overturn most of this when they say:

"We offer a plan to repeal and replace the government takeover of health care with common-sense solutions focused on lowering costs and protecting American jobs.We will enact real medical liability reform; allow Americans to purchase health coverage across state lines; empower small businesses with greater purchasing power; and create new incentives to save for future health needs. We will protect the doctor-patient relationship, and ensure that those with pre-existing
conditions gain access to the coverage they need.We will permanently end taxpayer funding of abortion and
codify the Hyde Amendment."

I guess they could say they are do that last line from the plan above: to keep their own doctors? Although instead of saying that they say this:

"Strengthen the Doctor-Patient Relationship:We will repeal President Obama’s government takeover of health care and replace it with common-sense reforms focused on strengthening the doctor-patient relationship."

Yes, so common sense that they will not tell us what they are. Awesome!

Next up:

You might think they are going to allow access for people with pre-existing conditions. Since they say they are:

"Ensure Access For Patients With Pre-Existing Conditions:"

But then you read after the colon and get this:

"Health care should be accessible for all, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses. We will expand state high-risk pools, reinsurance programs and reduce the cost of coverage. We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps, and prevent insurers from dropping your coverage just because you get sick. We will incentivize states to develop innovative programs that lower premiums and reduce the number of uninsured Americans."

Emphasis mine.

The most lenient possible reading* of this is that if your kid has a pre-existing condition they can choose that coverage as an adult. I would be happier if they said that. Anyhow, it seems ironic that their other solution is to expand state high-risk pools.

If you have a pre-existing condition:

Democrats: you can buy any insurance you want.

Republicans: if you have insurance, you can keep it. If not, we are going to expand state high-risk pools, so maybe you will get coverage that way.

Pregnancy, for example, is a pre-existing condition.


Edit: * I am under no illusion that this is what any actual bill passed by Republicans will include. It is the most possible, but probably totally delusional reading. More likely, if your kid has a pre-existing condition, they will not keep coverage since their new, adult policy is a different one then your policy. Thus they would go to the state run high risk pools. Which will "expand".

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 10:51am by yossarian
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