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#1 Sep 22 2010 at 7:44 AM Rating: Sub-Default
Didn't you hear the economy is fixed

Guess this means all of Obama's economic team can go back to teaching and academia.

lmao...it'd be even funnier if it weren't so sad.

#2 Sep 22 2010 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Didn't you hear the economy is fixed

No, did you?

I heard that the recession is technically over which means that there hasn't been a decline in GDP for the past couple of quarters. I think maybe the issue is that no one explained it to you with finger puppets.
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#3REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 8:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#4 Sep 22 2010 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Also glad to finally hear you admit that W didn't leave Obama a recession.

You realize Bush was president for a full year following 2007, right? In fact, he was president for a year and 20 days after 2007.

Hahahahaha... no wonder you failed out of being a teacher. Thank God for that. Lord only knows what you'd have been teaching the children with your retarded grasp of government.
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#5 Sep 22 2010 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Didn't you hear the economy is fixed


Odd. Obama's latest speech said we have a long way to go, even if the recession officially ended in 2009.
#6 Sep 22 2010 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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Huh. A quick look at that article states that...

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The Commerce Department said gross domestic product, a measure of total goods and services output within U.S. borders, grew at an annual rate of 0.6 percent in the last quarter of 2007, while it expanded 2.2 percent over the whole year, the slowest pace in five years.

"No question, the GDP number tells us the economy is on the brink of recession, if not in one already," said Peter Boockvar, an equity strategist with Miller Tabak & Co. in New York.
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#7 Sep 22 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
Varus probably got canned for railing about "the war of northern aggression!".
#8REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 8:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#9 Sep 22 2010 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
d^2y/dx^2

Live it, love it.
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#11 Sep 22 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
d^2y/dx^2

Live it, love it.
That like, some of that hard college algebra **** or sumthin'?
#12 Sep 22 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Remind me again when the Dems took control of congress?

Is this you desperately trying to walk back your "W didn't leave Obama with a recession" remark?

See the GDP in 2008 Q3? See the GDP in 2008 Q4?


Thanks for playing!
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#13 Sep 22 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Locked,

How can a recession end when you aren't in one to begin with?

You really fall in for the liberal talking points hook line and sinker don't you?


Um... we were. I don't think it's a liberal talking point when the National Bureau of Economic Research is one of the go-to recession markers in financial circles.

And as I said, just because the recession is over doesn't mean things are good or that we're not at risk to double-dip.
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#16 Sep 22 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
lmao....thanks for proving my point.

That Bush left Obama with a recession?

Not a problem. I'm glad we can agree on the basic things. This is the foundation to deeper understanding.
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When was Obama elected?

Q4 (Early Nov) 2008
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When did the market tank?

Late Q3 (early Sept) 2008 probably allowing Obama a much easier path into office than otherwise, especially with McCain's inept reactions
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When did the dems take control of congress?

A year and change prior. You know, back when you said the economy was still expanding 2.2%

You didn't think any of these questions out, did you?

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 10:40am by Jophiel
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#18 Sep 22 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Locked,

Sorry little buddy but two poor quarters at the end of an unpopular presidents tenure does not mean recession.


Which is all fine and dandy, as that's not the indicator the NBER uses, although most other groups do.
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The traditional definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of a shrinking gross domestic product (GDP). In contrast, the NBER defines a recession as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales.". Business cycle dates are determined by the NBER dating committee under contract with the Department of Commerce. Typically, these dates correspond to peaks and troughs in real GDP, although not always so.

The NBER prefers this method for a variety of reasons. First, they feel by measuring a wide range of economic factors, rather than just GDP, a more accurate assessment of the health of an economy can be gained. For instance, the NBER considers not only the product-side estimates like GDP, but also income-side estimates such as the gross domestic income (GDI). Second, since the NBER wishes to measure the duration of economic expansion and recession at a fine grain, they place emphasis on monthly—rather than quarterly—economic indicators. Finally, by using a looser definition, they can take into account the depth of decline in economic activity. For example, the NBER may declare not a recession simply because of two quarters of very slight negative growth, but rather an economic stagnation.


#19 Sep 22 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
Joph,

And Sept was about when everyone realized Obama would win wasn't it?


LOL, what? Going into election night it was still up in the air. Obama was projected to win, but it could have potentially gone either way.
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So i'm guessing you don't have anything to say about another one of Obama's economic leaders, you know another one these ivy leaguers, is running like a scared little rabit back to academia?


As the topic is the recession (and now, your failure to understand it), nope, nothing to say. I'd like your source that Obama's "economic leaders" are running away due to the news that the recession is over. You have that at least, right? We know you need to be told your ideas.


Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 11:50am by LockeColeMA
#20 Sep 22 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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And Sept was about when everyone realized Obama would win wasn't it?

Yeah, due to McCain's bumbling. On Sept 15, when Lehman's crashed out and the stock market started to falter, the average polling was McCain +2. By the end of Sept, it was Obama +5.

Man, you can't get anything right, can you?
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So i'm guessing you don't have anything to say about another one of Obama's economic leaders, you know another one these ivy leaguers, is running like a scared little rabit back to academia?

No, why would I? White House administrations chew people up and spit them out all the time.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 11:08am by Jophiel
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#21REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 11:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Everyone one of his original economic advisors is no longer advising, even though the economy is still f*cked, and that doesn't tell you anything. What do you think of a president who surrounds himself with quitters? That's what's happened here, his teams quit on him.
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#23 Sep 22 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Locked,

You're retarded aren't you. I apologize for all the insults and put downs over the years. You must be if you can't bother to find out what's going on with Obama's economic advisor team.


So... you're NOT going to say which far-right opinion article you got this idea from? All righty then. Then we'll stick to the topic of how the recession ended in 2009, we still have a long way to go, and you have no concept of what a recession actually is.
#24 Sep 22 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Excellent
What sort of crazy lala land do you live in varus? Normally I can follow the breadcrumbs of faulty logic and misinformation that lead to your craziness, but this one requires a level of disconnect with reality that I can't even fathom.
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varusword75 wrote:
geithner is the only original member of Obama's economic advisory team, and he's eyeing a run for govn in illnoise

In 2014? Because he's kind of late to get on the 2010 ballot.
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