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#77 Sep 21 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
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In each case, the Left pursues a course of action which is not only patently stupid, and which the people know is patently stupid, but despite massive public opposition, they go forward with it anyway.




Yeah! Like that time those stupid twats decided to invade Iraq against global public opinion, contrary to all sorts of international laws and even against all common sense! Look how that **** turned out! What the hell were those stupid liberal dimwits thinking?


That time when public support for invading Iraq was somewhere near 90%? That time?

When public support dropped below 50% was a few years later. At which point, it was one of those occasions where the public opinion is wrong. Abandoning the effort halfway through would have been a disaster. And the events since have shown that the Bush administration was right to buck public opinion on withdrawing from Iraq in the 2006/2007 time frame.

Which I addressed in my post when I said that I don't think the elected officials should simply follow what the polls say. The more relevant aspect to this is that the Dems seem to get it wrong every single damn time. They are consistent at least!
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#78 Sep 21 2010 at 6:35 PM Rating: Default
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In this context? That none of this matters as much as the reality that it doesn't matter why this mosque is built, or how fast, or by whom. The radical Muslims of the world will see it as a symbol of victory over America, and so it should not be built there.
And?
Do you think it's worth it to ignore the freedom of religion in the USA because else some twats halfway across the globe might consider it a victory over you if this community centre is built?


Not to mention that if it isn't built, they'd consider that a "victory," too. It doesn't matter what we do, really.


First off, freedom of religion doesn't mean that a religious group can build any structure it wants anywhere it wants.

Secondly, the only people who think that Islamic extremists would consider the mosque being blocked a victory are liberals who live in the US and Europe (and I suppose the occasional Islamic leader in the ME who are playing lip service to them cause they know that those idiots are helping them out). It's a case of projecting their own warped world view onto others, and is completely false.


It's the left getting it wrong again. And again. And again. And again.
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#79 Sep 21 2010 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:


That time when public support for invading Iraq was somewhere near 90%? That time?



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If 90% (link possible?) of the USA was all for invading a country that possesed no capabilities for thereatening them, that says far more about the gullability of 90% of the population of the USA than it does about 'liberals'.
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#80 Sep 21 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
No, ******. 90% was Bush's approval rating after the twin towers.

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Before the invasion in March 2003 polls showed 47-60% of the US public supported an invasion, dependent on UNESCO approval.


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The ****** is gbaji, if anyone's a-wonderin'.

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gbaji wrote:
First off, freedom of religion doesn't mean that a religious group can build any structure it wants anywhere it wants.

It can absolutely build one anywhere it's lawfully zoned and permitted though. Like, say, the 45-51 block of Park Ave in New York City.
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#82 Sep 21 2010 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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First off, freedom of religion doesn't mean that a religious group can build any structure it wants anywhere it wants.


What Joph said.

gbaji wrote:
Secondly, the only people who think that Islamic extremists would consider the mosque being blocked a victory are liberals who live in the US and Europe (and I suppose the occasional Islamic leader in the ME who are playing lip service to them cause they know that those idiots are helping them out). It's a case of projecting their own warped world view onto others, and is completely false.


It's the left getting it wrong again. And again. And again. And again.


So, really, you can't see how, "Look at those Americans, they hate us because we're Muslim!! They say they have 'freedom of religion,' but look how they are treating us!" is a good recruiting tactic?

If you can't, then you're a bigger moron than I thought.
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:


The ****** is gbaji, if anyone's a-wonderin'.



I almost missed the small print there, sonny, and was getting very close to clutching my Argos handbag to my ample bosom and start getting very indignant indeed!
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#84 Sep 21 2010 at 9:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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The radical Muslims of the world will see it as a symbol of victory over America, and so it should not be built there.
nah, it's the opposite really. Actually it's both, and neither.
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#85 Sep 22 2010 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Secondly, the only people who think that Islamic extremists would consider the mosque being blocked a victory are liberals who live in the US and Europe (and I suppose the occasional Islamic leader in the ME who are playing lip service to them cause they know that those idiots are helping them out). It's a case of projecting their own warped world view onto others, and is completely false.


It's the left getting it wrong again. And again. And again. And again.
Who gives a **** if they consider it a victory? I'm giving them enough credit that regardless of what you do they can phrase that in a way that helps them recruit more people/claim victory.
This has very little to do with the political left or right and a lot more to do with being scared of terrorists claiming a non existant victory over the US, which is utterly retarded if you ask me.
It's not like the wars haven't given terrorists enough examples of just why the US hates all muslims.
#86 Sep 22 2010 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
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That time when public support for invading Iraq was somewhere near 90%? That time?



I said :


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What people outside of the US think, only matters when it supports gbaji's opinion. Global opinion against war in Iraq? Fuck the world. Terrorists think building a mosque near Ground Zero is a victory? Fuck the mosque.
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#87 Sep 22 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Default
Aethia,

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Who gives a @#%^ if they consider it a victory?


Probably the victims of 911 and the victims of every other muslim attack against the US or her citizens, and their families.


Whether you chose to keep your head in the sand about the war islam is waging on western society is irrelevant. Every muslim nation will look at this mosque as a symbol a sign that america can be defeated. This action emboldens the enemy and places US servicemen abroad in greater danger. I always knew the liberal left hated and despised the military and what they stand for but I never thought I'd see them go so far as to allow the enemy to build a temple honouring their attack at what is the heart of western civilization.

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All of your best temples have basketball courts.

You should have seen the layout they had in Jerusalem.
Matthew Alexander, senior military interrogator and the guy responsible for locating al-Zarqawi, wrote:
The Cordoba House would be a powerful symbol of U.S. tolerance and freedom that will stand in direct contradiction to al Qaeda’s narrative that Americans hate Muslims. As a symbol, its construction demonstrates that the U.S. is not at war with Islam and that Muslims are welcome in America. It communicates a message of moderation that stands in stark contrast to al Qaeda’s bankrupt ideology.

As I discovered as a high-level interrogator of al Qaeda members in Iraq, symbols like this matter. Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and the policy of torture and abuse handed al Qaeda its number one recruiting tool. Those who think al Qaeda will not be able to spin this controversy to their advantage are disastrously mistaken – but it can be a victory for America as well.

The political uproar over the Cordoba project, and in particular the use of harmful, bigoted rhetoric by some opportunists, leaves America facing a choice. It can project one of two symbols: One of integration, acceptance and positive affirmation of American values; or one of intolerance, rejection, and animosity. The former will work to undermine al Qaeda as part of a long-term strategy to defeat them. The latter will bolster Islamic extremists’ arguments that America is an intolerant country hell-bent on war with Islam, aid recruitment efforts and add support for more terrorist attacks.

He probably hates the military and stuff.
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#89 Sep 22 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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The terrorists have already won if they can manipulate the minds and hearts of Americans to this degree.
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#90 Sep 22 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Default
Jophed,

I can see his view. It's just wrong. It's like he's completely ignoring what the Koran commands of its followers. Yes, allowing muslims to build the mosque there would send a message to foreign muslims, a message of weakness. Anyone who believes that simply treating muslims nicer and doing our best not to offend them will somehow change their beliefs and ideology is delusional. It's all good play nice until someone threatens to burn a koran, then what? Guess it's time to ban the burning of the koran, wouldn't want to upset foreign muslims they might go out and be able to recruit more muslims.

Have you ever considered this guy was being pc so as to keep his job?

#91 Sep 22 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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When did the military care about being PC?
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#92 Sep 22 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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You don't even understand *why* there are terrorists from the Middle East in the first place.
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#93 Sep 22 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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It shows that I'm not alone in the allegation, doesn't it?

It shows you have no clue how Google works.


It was an example search string to use as a starting point for those who apparently were utterly unaware that many people feel that the city sped the process of building this mosque along despite public opposition to it. Gee. I didn't realize we were having a quiz! ;)
I get about 108,000 hits for "I believe in a flat Earth." (with quotes, even!)
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varusword75 wrote:
I can see his view. It's just wrong.

You're welcome to your opinion. Even if it is "just wrong".
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Have you ever considered this guy was being pc so as to keep his job?

I understand that a senior military official whose entire job revolves around understanding the minds of radical Islam saying that this building wouldn't be a "victory" undermines your whole "liberals hate the military" schtick and so you're making a lame attempt to discredit him. Nice job calling this guy who was instrumental in capturing the al'Qaeda leader in Iraq an opportunistic liar though. It's a shame that you hate the military.
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#95 Sep 22 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Default
Debo,

Because the muslims can't field an army capable of fighting the infidel in that capacity; duh.




Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 11:21am by varusword75
#96 Sep 22 2010 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

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understand that a senior military official whose entire job revolves around understanding the minds of radical Islam saying that this building wouldn't be a "victory" undermines your whole "liberals hate the military" schtick and so you're making a lame attempt to discredit him.


That is just my opinion. Of course your liberal leaders actually called the man running the show, Petraeus, a traitor so that doesn't really help your liberals love the military lie.

And yes I can see Obama admin officials handing this guy a piece of paper and saying read this or you're fired.



Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 11:25am by varusword75
#97 Sep 22 2010 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
Ugly,

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When did the military care about being PC?


Don't ask don't tell.
#98 Sep 22 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think you understand what politically correct means.
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#99 Sep 22 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
That is just my opinion.

Your opinion is that he's lying? Are you basing this on anything beyond "He doesn't agree with me"?
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Of course your liberal leaders actually called the man running the show, Petraeus, a traitor so that doesn't really help your liberals love the military lie.

Yeah, but everyone already knows liberals hate the military, right? I was just surprised to see that you hate the military as well.

Ok, not really surprised.
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And yes I can see Obama admin officials handing this guy a piece of paper and saying read this or you're fired.

I imagine the "reality" in your imagination is easier to cope with than the one here in the real world.
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#100 Sep 22 2010 at 9:47 AM Rating: Default
Jophed,

So the president would never give an order for someone to read something they might not believe or agree with?

Are you kidding?

#101 Sep 22 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
Debo,

Because the muslims can't field an army capable of fighting the infidel in that capacity; duh.

Hahaha, okay. Zing!

But...seriously.
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