Forum Settings
       
« Previous 1 2 3
Reply To Thread

Elizabeth Warren named Special Counsel to CFPBFollow

#1 Sep 15 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
Official source.She was the one who suggested the Bureau in the first place, and the progressive's first choice for the position. By naming her as a special advisor, she will be acting as the interim director while avoiding an expected lengthy Senate confirmation battle. (She is expected to be nominated to the formal position after the midterms.)

Quote:
WASHINGTON — The White House will name Wall Street critic Elizabeth Warren to a special advisory role in setting up the new Consumer Protection Agency called for by the financial regulatory overhaul, a source familiar with the White House's plans told NBC News on Wednesday.

The announcement will come this week, the source said.

In her new role, Warren will report to both the White House and the Treasury Department. However, the job will not require Senate confirmation.

The 61-year-old Harvard University professor had been considered the leading candidate to head the bureau itself, but her lack of support in the financial community could have set the stage for contentious Senate hearings that may have ultimately derailed her confirmation.

The independent consumer bureau was created under the financial regulatory bill Obama signed into law earlier this year. It will have vast powers to enforce regulations covering mortgages, credit cards and other financial products, and be financed by the Federal Reserve.

Warren has served as head of the Congressional Oversight Panel, charged with monitoring Treasury's handling of the $700 billion bank rescue fund known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program. She has at times clashed with Treasury over her committee's findings and conclusions about the use of TARP money.

As of Sept. 10, however, Warren has removed herself from the panel's work, a signal that the new Treasury post was a possibility.

It was unclear whether Obama also intends to nominate a permanent director for the job this week.

Others mentioned as contenders to lead the agency are Michael Barr, an assistant treasury secretary who was a key architect of the administration's financial regulatory plans, and Eugene Kimmelman, a deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department's antitrust division.
#2 Sep 15 2010 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
Maybe I'm just a bit out of touch here, but why should I care?
#3 Sep 15 2010 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
****
6,471 posts
Since you totally ignored my attempt to help here, I've decided that I'm not going to respond to this thread out of spite. Smiley: mad











Damn.
#4 Sep 15 2010 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
I missed the new replies. Thank you.

(IE9 beta is kind of fun, but I can't see it as anything more than a short term affair.)
#5 Sep 16 2010 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
Call me nitpicky, but doesn't the whole political-appointee-to-a-government-agency-without-Senate-confirmation thing run afoul of the Constitution? Wasn't there a spat about this very subject earlier this year?

It's early, and I haven't had much coffee, so I could be completely wrong.
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#6 Sep 16 2010 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
*****
10,601 posts
It's probably "ok" because it's advisory. It's like the president saying you really should consult with this person.
____________________________
01001001 00100000 01001100 01001001 01001011 01000101 00100000 01000011 01000001 01001011 01000101
You'll always be stupid, you'll just be stupid with more information in your brain
Forum FAQ
#7 Sep 16 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Demea wrote:
Call me nitpicky, but doesn't the whole political-appointee-to-a-government-agency-without-Senate-confirmation thing run afoul of the Constitution? Wasn't there a spat about this very subject earlier this year?

She's advising the board instead of heading it. Devil's in the details, it would seem.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#8 Sep 16 2010 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
Nope, the Constitution says that the President onlu has to follow the rules outlined in legislation, and if the legislation gives him sole power to make an appointment, then he can.

Article II, Section 2 wrote:
(The President) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.


In this case, the formal head of the Bureau will require Senate confirmation. However, the Senate has been sitting on their asses on over 70 such confirmations for absolutely no reason for the past year - nominees that no one has any qualms with in the Senate, that were voted unanimously out of committee, but which can never be allowed to come up for a vote because it requires 60 people to let it. The silent filibuster in action, folks.

The legislation provided for the President to provide an interim head of the commission, until such a time as the President makes an appointment and the Senate confirms it. (This was a power ceded, temporarily for the purposes of the bill, to the President.) But even then, senators started whining about the President actually using that ceded power, including the ones that wrote it in the bill. So Obama created a new position for Warren, one that no one can argue with since the power to appoint "officers of the United states whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for" is explicitly granted to the President - i.e. the Executive branch can hire whoever the ******* it wants for 99% of its positions.

In the end, the appointment of Warren to this position is the equivalent of red meat to the progressives, who have been clamoring for her to head up the CFPB ever since she suggested the idea. Wall Street hates her guts because she's pro-consumer, not pro-business, and the rules and regulations she comes up with will be airtight and have teeth.
#9 Sep 16 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
Quote:
Wall Street hates her guts because she's pro-consumer, not pro-business

It's sad that the two are considered mutually exclusive. Smiley: frown
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#10REDACTED, Posted: Sep 16 2010 at 10:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cat,
#11 Sep 16 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
It's a liberal girl, Varus. You forgot to call her a bull ****.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#12REDACTED, Posted: Sep 16 2010 at 10:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#13 Sep 16 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
Why does Varus hate educated people? What absolute agenda does he have against folks who make their living studying the world and teaching others? Is it because they're smarter than him? Is it because they (quite often if they're good) make more money than him? Is it because people in government solicit their opinions more often than people like him?

Yes, Elizabeth Warren was a Harvard Professor. She was also the chair of the 5-person Congressional Oversight Panel in charge of ensuring TARP funds weren't squandered. It's because of her team that Bush's final gift to the banks is actually getting paid back with interest.

Her three favorite targets are credit card companies, banks, and fraudsters illegally advertising themselves a brokers for industries when they have no licenses to practice in them. She wants to shut down predatory lenders and curb the worst excesses of the industry. A lot of that has already been done, in the new regulations outlined in the legislation. Her role as an adviser would be to ensure compliance with the rules - right now most banks are working on compliance (for example, my bank told me that it will no longer approved debit card transactions that should have been declined then slap me with a $35 fee - not that I've over drafted in the last 6 years, but still.)

The most amusing description of her has been "She's a grandmother that will make grown men cry." But her students love her - she was named Harvard Law's teacher of the year twice.

Sort of like a pitbull with lipstick - but also with a law degree.

(She's more attractive than Elena Kagan, but she's no Palin. Dems pick their women leaders based on their accomplishments, not their appearance.)
#14 Sep 16 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
catwho wrote:
Why does Varus hate educated people? What absolute agenda does he have against folks who make their living studying the world and teaching others?

Most likely faith in the old saying, "Those who can't do, teach."

Quote:
She wants to shut down predatory lenders and curb the worst excesses of the industry.

Not to defend the sub-prime industry for their myriad failings in recent years, but can we both agree that "shutting down predatory lending" is just a soundbite? There are people who legitimately benefit from sub-prime lending, and getting rid of it entirely will only make it harder, if not impossible, for those people to obtain credit.

There is definitely a ton of room for improvement in the way that sub-prime mortgages (and many other types, for that matter) are presented and executed, but labeling them all as "predatory" and completely eliminating them is just naive.
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#15 Sep 16 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
I believe the "predatory lenders" she's referring to are those that are running rackets and scams, not those who offer legitimate sub-prime mortgages. The ones that lie about the terms, like not clearly explaining what an ARM is, or who ask for an up front fee as part of a mortgage application and then never follow through on the mortgage and don't return the deposit. (When our first house failed to pass the inspection, we got our earnest money back from the realtor.)

Or if they do actually fulfill a mortgage, they don't run a credit check or verify income, and then once they close the deal, they sell the loan to a bank who is stuck with a dud mortgage for people who got in way over their heads.
#16REDACTED, Posted: Sep 16 2010 at 1:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cat,
#17 Sep 16 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
You do realize that many folks in the "private sector" have the same law degrees, business degrees, and academic degrees as those who work in academia or the government? The only difference tends to be who hired them right after they graduated.
#18REDACTED, Posted: Sep 16 2010 at 3:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cat,
#19 Sep 16 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Default
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Demea wrote:
catwho wrote:
Why does Varus hate educated people? What absolute agenda does he have against folks who make their living studying the world and teaching others?

Most likely faith in the old saying, "Those who can't do, teach."


Not going to speculate on Varus' reasoning, but the saying "that's academic" exists for a reason. A lot of times, the real world doesn't work the way the books and formulas say they do. Most good academics understand this, but sometimes you get people who insist on implementing policy and regulation based on how their academic understanding of the world says things should work, and they end out making things much much worse. Warren shows some of the symptoms of this (although she's not nearly as bad as others Obama has appointed to positions, or Obama himself for that matter).

Quote:
Quote:
She wants to shut down predatory lenders and curb the worst excesses of the industry.

Not to defend the sub-prime industry for their myriad failings in recent years, but can we both agree that "shutting down predatory lending" is just a soundbite? There are people who legitimately benefit from sub-prime lending, and getting rid of it entirely will only make it harder, if not impossible, for those people to obtain credit.


This. Not only is it a soundbite, but it's one of those things which on paper should work, but in the real world requires far more intrusive legislation than is practicable. A lot of Warren's work seems to focus on the cost of living changes over time. What's interesting is that she appears to know that it's not the cost of staple goods, or the drop in wages, but rather that people are choosing to spend more and go into debt, but she concludes that the "solution" is to somehow regulate the markets so that they can't allow people to spend more than they can afford.

That there is a pretty huge slippery slope if you stop and think about it. It's hard to see the dividing line between regulating industry so as to prevent them from allowing you to spend more than you can afford and restricting consumer choice outright. Also, as you say, people take risks to get gains. Should the government be the one who decides if someone is taking too much risk? That seems counter to the principles of freedom.

Quote:
There is definitely a ton of room for improvement in the way that sub-prime mortgages (and many other types, for that matter) are presented and executed, but labeling them all as "predatory" and completely eliminating them is just naive.



And honestly, this is where I'll repeat one of my common complaints about liberal thinking. Liberals tend to have a hard time seeing the difference between not doing things which harm people and doing things which help them. Sub-prime lending will take care of itself if there *isn't* a government hand in there trying to build social good-will by helping poor people buy houses. If you want to fix the problem, get the government out of the sub-prime business. But the left doesn't want to do that for reasons which tie back to the anti-academic aspect of this. They are so sure that they are smart enough to figure out how to provide help for poor people while avoiding abuses that they can't stop doing what they're doing to contribute to the problem and will instead look in every other direction for the fault. All their research tells them that they can control the market if they just have enough regulation, but what history shows us is that the more meddling of that sort done, the *worse* things get.


Not that I'm laying those particular things at her feet, but she's definitely of that same mind set.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
#20 Sep 16 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
gbaji wrote:
Sub-prime lending will take care of itself if there *isn't* a government hand in there trying to build social good-will by helping poor people buy houses. If you want to fix the problem, get the government out of the sub-prime business.

I realize that I'm splitting hairs here, but the government shouldn't completely withdraw all involvement in the mortgage market. Establishing laws ensuring that the costs (direct, indirect and variable) of various kinds of mortgages are clearly and concisely displayed to allow the consumer to make a more educated choice is something the govn't should be doing. Banning the kind of illegal and downright immoral cons that catwho described is another.

But the government probably shouldn't be underwriting (read: guaranteeing) sub-prime mortgages in order to artificially increase the rates of home ownership, as recent history would suggest.
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#21 Sep 16 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
I've been completely credit-cardless for the last 7 years and I haven't missed it. Part of Warren's goals is educating consumers that they don't have to go into massive debt and spend spend spend. An educated consumer is one who makes wise decisions. But too many lenders deliberately obfuscate the terms of their lending. That's why regulation is required - they can still bilk the suckers, but they need to warn them ahead of time that what they are doing is, in fact, bilking.

Edit: Hit enter early.



Edited, Sep 16th 2010 7:33pm by catwho
#22 Sep 16 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
****
7,861 posts
catwho wrote:
An educated consumer is one who makes wise decisions.

And that's exactly why it's up to the consumer to educate themselves. It's not the governments job to protect someone from their own stupidity.
____________________________
People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome. ~River Tam

Sedao
#23 Sep 16 2010 at 8:32 PM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Demea wrote:
catwho wrote:
Why does Varus hate educated people? What absolute agenda does he have against folks who make their living studying the world and teaching others?
Most likely faith in the old saying, "Those who can't do, teach."

Given that Varus failed as a teacher, I'm guessing he's right around monkey-level in ability.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#24 Sep 16 2010 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
Quote:
And that's exactly why it's up to the consumer to educate themselves. It's not the governments job to protect someone from their own stupidity.


Gotta remember, 50% of Americans are below average intelligence.
#25 Sep 16 2010 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
Kastigir wrote:
catwho wrote:
An educated consumer is one who makes wise decisions.

And that's exactly why it's up to the consumer to educate themselves. It's not the governments job to protect someone from their own stupidity.

At the risk of opening the flood gates to a wave of insipid anti-Big-Brother rants, why not?
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#26 Sep 16 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
Demea wrote:
Kastigir wrote:
catwho wrote:
An educated consumer is one who makes wise decisions.

And that's exactly why it's up to the consumer to educate themselves. It's not the governments job to protect someone from their own stupidity.

At the risk of opening the flood gates to a wave of insipid anti-Big-Brother rants, why not?
Something something reduction of freedom.

Or something like that. Basically, the same reason why it's not the government's job to ensure that people don't starve to death or are homeless.
« Previous 1 2 3
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 241 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (241)