Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

NudgeFollow

#1 Sep 14 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
On recommendation, I just finished reading Nudge. Needless to say, I thought it was fantastic, being the apathetic Libertarian that I am. It was also interesting as an insight into some of Obama's legistation proposals since one of the authors (Cass Sustein) is now a top Obama advisor.

I'm assuming that several of you wonks have also read it. Impressions? Other suggested reading in a similar vein? Uninformed rants about "Big Brother" government paternalism?
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#2 Sep 14 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
When he's sitting at his desk right across from mine, I can nudge my husband (via messenger) and watch him jump. Fun little game I play.

I recently picked up another book by Michael Pollan - In Defense of Food. He's the guy that writes about the crappy US food industry.

I've only skimmed it. I'm more into Mr. Norrel and Jonathan Strange atm.

I'm convinced though, that many of our wide spread health problems (mental and physical) can be some how connected to the crappy food in our grocery stores and chain restaurants. Most recently, I've been quite pleased I have a local farmer for my eggs.
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#3 Sep 14 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
It's a really interesting book, although in fairness there is not much "new" in there. Behavioural change is an old concept, all these guys have done is collected of all the disparate evidence of its efficiency into one place. But still, entertaining and intellectually stimulating.

The current government in the UK is obsessed with Nudge, and it's basically underpinning half of the policies that come out of it.

As for similar reads, "Blink" is pretty good (you only need to read 1/3 of it to "get it"), anything by Malcolm Gladwell (Wisdom of Crowds, for ex), and of course "the Undercover Economist" by Tim Hartford is really cool too. Freakonomics is another obvious one.
____________________________
My politics blog and stuff - Refractory
#4 Sep 14 2010 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's a really interesting book, although in fairness there is not much "new" in there. Behavioural change is an old concept, all these guys have done is collected of all the disparate evidence of its efficiency into one place. But still, entertaining and intellectually stimulating.

The current government in the UK is obsessed with Nudge, and it's basically underpinning half of the policies that come out of it.

As for similar reads, "Blink" is pretty good (you only need to read 1/3 of it to "get it"), anything by Malcolm Gladwell (Wisdom of Crowds, for ex), and of course "the Undercover Economist" by Tim Hartford is really cool too. Freakonomics is another obvious one.


The other half, of course, are underpinned by good old fashioned evil - by which I mean Thatcherism. And now Cameron's dad's died AND he has a newborn baby; he should call a general election right now, victory would be assured.

I've not read Nudge, because anyone who, without irony, describes their own theory as "libertarian paternalism" ought to be shot.
#5 Sep 14 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's a really interesting book, although in fairness there is not much "new" in there. Behavioural change is an old concept, all these guys have done is collected of all the disparate evidence of its efficiency into one place. But still, entertaining and intellectually stimulating.

I just had the opportunity to read the interview that Amazon had with the authors, and I agree it sounds like old stuff with some new packaging and ideas. I mean, this is what good advertising is all about.

What is a more interesting discussion to me, and one I've had to engage in professionally from time to time is, when do we go to far in 'nudging'?

If we nudge towards one choice we're nudging away from others.

I work for an environmental regulatory agency, we've been called to the carpet a couple times for 'preaching' environmentalism rather than simply enforcing the law.

Historically large scale behavioral change has needed more than a nudge. It usually takes legislation or simply removing the choice you're trying to eliminate. However, with more information getting out to more people - nudging may take on greater meaning.

Send me your copy Demea. Smiley: wink
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#6 Sep 14 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
Kavekk the Pest wrote:
The other half, of course, are underpinned by good old fashioned evil - by which I mean Thatcherism. And now Cameron's dad's died AND he has a newborn baby; he should call a general election right now, victory would be assured.


I'm pretty sure Andy Coulson has given that some serious thought. I don't think the Tories will remain as high in the polls as they are now, and they could get rid of those pesky Lib-Dems in the process... It's funny because people don't quite realised how much things will change under the Tories.

Anyway, back on topic, the [link=www.nudges.org]nudge blog[/link] has some pretty decent examples of everyday Nudges.
____________________________
My politics blog and stuff - Refractory
#7 Sep 14 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,659 posts
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's a really interesting book, although in fairness there is not much "new" in there. Behavioural change is an old concept, all these guys have done is collected of all the disparate evidence of its efficiency into one place. But still, entertaining and intellectually stimulating.

The concept is definitely not new, but this book goes a little further and actually advocates policies based on the underlying ecomonic and psychology theories.

As a random tangent, this is always one of the hardest things that I've found to explain to people when they learn that my degree is in economics. They assume that I mean macroeconomics, i.e. national fiscal and monetary policy, balance of trade, etc. However, the most interesting field of economics nowadays (in my opinion anyways) is behavioral economics, which plays a large chunk (or should, at least) in current policy construction.

Quote:
As for similar reads, "Blink" is pretty good (you only need to read 1/3 of it to "get it"), anything by Malcolm Gladwell (Wisdom of Crowds, for ex), and of course "the Undercover Economist" by Tim Hartford is really cool too. Freakonomics is another obvious one.

I've read The Undercover Economist, as well as a few other of Tim Harford's books, and found then to be quite interesting. Freakonomics and SuperFreakonomics were also pretty neat, although the latter seemed to advocate policies that were intentionally controvertial solely for the sake of publicity (and the resulting book sales).

I've heard good things about Gladwell, so I'll check him out next.
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#8 Sep 14 2010 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
****
4,158 posts
Elinda wrote:


I recently picked up another book by Michael Pollan - In Defense of Food. He's the guy that writes about the crappy US food industry.

I've only skimmed it. I'm more into Mr. Norrel and Jonathan Strange atm.

I'm convinced though, that many of our wide spread health problems (mental and physical) can be some how connected to the crappy food in our grocery stores and chain restaurants. Most recently, I've been quite pleased I have a local farmer for my eggs.


I'm almost through Michael Pollans "Omnivores Dilemma'. It is utterly awesome. I thought I knew about food, but thsi guy takes it to another level. Highly recommended, and I have to admit that I've put some of the farming practices that he talks about into practice (on a small scale) in and around our food producing habits at home. He has also introduced me to my new farming deity in the form of Joel Salatin and his amazing farm.

Also Elinda, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you from the heart of my bottom for introdcing me to Mumford and Sons during a 'What we all listening to' thread last year. They have easily been the most listened to band on my iPod ever since 8)
____________________________
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.

#9 Sep 14 2010 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
paulsol wrote:

I'm almost through Michael Pollans "Omnivores Dilemma'.
Here's an interview with Pollan about The Omnivores Dilemma. It's a couple years old. He's been on NPR a lot though ---> CLICKY.

Quote:
Also Elinda, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you from the heart of my bottom for introdcing me to Mumford and Sons during a 'What we all listening to' thread last year. They have easily been the most listened to band on my iPod ever since 8)
Yeah, I'm still a fan. I husband mentioned he's recently heard them on mainstream radio. Smiley: eek
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#10 Sep 14 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
****
4,158 posts
Elinda wrote:
Yeah, I'm still a fan. I husband mentioned he's recently heard them on mainstream radio. Smiley: eek


I'm a music **** so I never listen to 'mainstream' radio. At all. Evah. But I do listen to bFm wich is the best radio station in the world (All other Radio Stations are Shit!), and they've been playing them for 9 months or so. they have also been playing that 'FUck You' song a lot. Especially at driving to and from work times...Which is nice.


I was going to link the livestream for you, so's you could have a listen, but my work place doesn't seem to think its appropriate for listening to in an operating theatre for some reason...
____________________________
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.

#11 Sep 14 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
Gave Up The D
Avatar
*****
12,281 posts
Let me know when you read the sequels "Grin" and "Wink".
____________________________
Shaowstrike (Retired - FFXI)
91PUP/BLM 86SMN/BST 76DRK
Cooking/Fishing 100


"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
— James D. Nicoll
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 197 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (197)