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#27 Sep 05 2010 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
per se, they do celebrate things like weddings, anniversaries, and graduations for instance. Or sometimes a group will just get together and go do something, like bowling, picnics, or whatnot.



Wow! Almost like normal humans then!
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#28 Sep 05 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
per se, they do celebrate things like weddings, anniversaries, and graduations for instance. Or sometimes a group will just get together and go do something, like bowling, picnics, or whatnot.



Wow! Almost like normal humans then!


Almost... but they don't celebrate birthdays. What kind of human is that?
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#29 Sep 05 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR wrote:
paulsol wrote:
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
per se, they do celebrate things like weddings, anniversaries, and graduations for instance. Or sometimes a group will just get together and go do something, like bowling, picnics, or whatnot.



Wow! Almost like normal humans then!


Almost... but they don't celebrate birthdays. What kind of human is that?
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#30 Sep 05 2010 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
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#31 Sep 05 2010 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
paulsol wrote:
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
per se, they do celebrate things like weddings, anniversaries, and graduations for instance. Or sometimes a group will just get together and go do something, like bowling, picnics, or whatnot.



Wow! Almost like normal humans then!


Exactly.


Shador... are you a Jehovah's Witness?
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#32 Sep 05 2010 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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Can't be. Hasn't preached to any of us yet and it's been months that he's been around.
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#33 Sep 05 2010 at 8:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm an athiest, but while I'm firm with JW's, I'm also not rude or disrespectful. I think they they really *truly* believe that they are attempting to keep my soul from eternal damnation, from suffering for all eternity and while I don't believe that for a single moment...I think they do. I don't see any reason to ridicule or punish them for that. Sure, for some of them, it may be a forced going through the motions but I think that many really do believe that and I know that for myself, I'd find no satisfaction in creating misery for someone who believes in their heart that they are trying to help me...not only in this lifetime but forever. Punishing someone for something so selfless, regardless of how naive, is childish at best and cruel beyond reasoning at worst. A little tolerance goes a long way.

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#35 Sep 05 2010 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't ever remember having one come to any place I lived. But, one time I was walking across town (probably getting a coffee while at the laundromat) when some young black fellow who was walking along the street started talking with me. I wasn't sure what he was on about at first, but it was all pleasant enough as I yes'd him to death and waffled noncommittally about my own faith.
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#36 Sep 05 2010 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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My Uncle's cousin's are Jehovah's Witnesses. He's in a wheel chair, disabled from an accident when he was 18. They come over occasionally, and bring along their preaching stuff. He puts up with it just because he wants to spend time with his cousins. They are some of the only non-direct family that still visits him.

My grandmother would have a group of them come over to her house and do their bible study stuffs, again just because one of her best friends was one, and she would do it just to spend time with her.

Personally I have never been rude to any that have appeared at my house. But very few have. I'm sure I'd be a little less pleasant to them if they appeared numerous times and continued to appear after informing them I no longer wished for them to come to my house or posted signs saying I did not want any solicitors, etc.


I thought it was kind of funny when the one that appeared a little while ago to invite me to their gathering was standing on my porch waiting for me to answer the door. I have a large bay window and my cat usually lays in it staring out over the yard. While he was waiting he was standing there waving to my cat.

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#37 Sep 05 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Bury enough of them in the back yard and they eventuallly stop coming. Seriously though, I've never met one. I've occasionally found a pamphlet stuck in my door, but I've never actually been home when they visit.

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#38 Sep 05 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
I'm an athiest, but while I'm firm with JW's, I'm also not rude or disrespectful. I think they they really *truly* believe that they are attempting to keep my soul from eternal damnation, from suffering for all eternity and while I don't believe that for a single moment...I think they do. I don't see any reason to ridicule or punish them for that. Sure, for some of them, it may be a forced going through the motions but I think that many really do believe that and I know that for myself, I'd find no satisfaction in creating misery for someone who believes in their heart that they are trying to help me...not only in this lifetime but forever. Punishing someone for something so selfless, regardless of how naive, is childish at best and cruel beyond reasoning at worst. A little tolerance goes a long way.

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Yes, this. My stock answer is "I appreciate your concern, but I'm not interested."

Boring, I know.

I did, however, let some Mormon missionaries into a house full of passed-out college students, cause really, it served them all right.

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#39 Sep 05 2010 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Nexa wrote:
I'm an athiest, but while I'm firm with JW's, I'm also not rude or disrespectful. I think they they really *truly* believe that they are attempting to keep my soul from eternal damnation, from suffering for all eternity and while I don't believe that for a single moment...I think they do. I don't see any reason to ridicule or punish them for that. Sure, for some of them, it may be a forced going through the motions but I think that many really do believe that and I know that for myself, I'd find no satisfaction in creating misery for someone who believes in their heart that they are trying to help me...not only in this lifetime but forever. Punishing someone for something so selfless, regardless of how naive, is childish at best and cruel beyond reasoning at worst. A little tolerance goes a long way.

Nexa



Yes, this. My stock answer is "I appreciate your concern, but I'm not interested."

Boring, I know.

I did, however, let some Mormon missionaries into a house full of passed-out college students, cause really, it served them all right.


You know Mormons have no concept of rape, right?

Those poor students are probably scarred for life.
#40 Sep 05 2010 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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Witness publications teach that God's Kingdom is a literal government in heaven, ruled by Jesus Christ and 144,000 Christians drawn from the earth. The kingdom is viewed as the means by which God will accomplish his original purpose for the earth, transforming earth into a paradise without sickness or death. The kingdom is said to have been the focal point of Jesus' ministry on earth and established in heaven in 1914. They believe 1914 marks the restoration of God's rule over earth after being halted for 2520 years since 607 BC, the date they uniquely assign to the destruction of Jersualem by the Babylonians


Smiley: dubious

You couldn't make this stuff up....
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#41 Sep 05 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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LolWiki wrote:
Witness publications teach that God's Kingdom is a literal government in heaven, ruled by Jesus Christ and 144,000 Christians drawn from the earth. The kingdom is viewed as the means by which God will accomplish his original purpose for the earth, transforming earth into a paradise without sickness or death. The kingdom is said to have been the focal point of Jesus' ministry on earth and established in heaven in 1914. They believe 1914 marks the restoration of God's rule over earth after being halted for 2520 years since 607 BC, the date they uniquely assign to the destruction of Jersualem by the Babylonians


Smiley: dubious

You couldn't make this stuff up....
They've also got three failed predictions of the apocalypse under their belt already.
#42 Sep 05 2010 at 10:44 PM Rating: Decent
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LolWiki wrote:
Witness publications teach that God's Kingdom is a literal government in heaven, ruled by Jesus Christ and 144,000 Christians drawn from the earth. The kingdom is viewed as the means by which God will accomplish his original purpose for the earth, transforming earth into a paradise without sickness or death. The kingdom is said to have been the focal point of Jesus' ministry on earth and established in heaven in 1914. They believe 1914 marks the restoration of God's rule over earth after being halted for 2520 years since 607 BC, the date they uniquely assign to the destruction of Jersualem by the Babylonians


Smiley: dubious

You couldn't make this stuff up....


Well, someone did.
#43 Sep 05 2010 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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paulsol wrote:
LolWiki wrote:
Witness publications teach that God's Kingdom is a literal government in heaven, ruled by Jesus Christ and 144,000 Christians drawn from the earth. The kingdom is viewed as the means by which God will accomplish his original purpose for the earth, transforming earth into a paradise without sickness or death. The kingdom is said to have been the focal point of Jesus' ministry on earth and established in heaven in 1914. They believe 1914 marks the restoration of God's rule over earth after being halted for 2520 years since 607 BC, the date they uniquely assign to the destruction of Jersualem by the Babylonians


Smiley: dubious

You couldn't make this stuff up....

Well, someone did.

Dammit! That was *my* line.
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#44 Sep 06 2010 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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Huh. I thought JW didn't celebrate anything, even religious stuff. I was misinformed, it seems.

Also, they can't sing in public.
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#45 Sep 06 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Excellent
I work out on a Sheep farm and Fiber shop in the middle of bloody nowhere. One Sunday a whole wagonload of the lot showed up, there was 3 old ladies and two 20 something guys who really looked like they didn't want to be there. Sundays are totally dead out there, no customers and once the sheep are fed and watered, there's nothing to fucking do except clean. Seeing as I was bored as hell, I spent the next couple hours cleaning the shop and shooting the shit with them. None of them knew a damned thing about philosophy or other religions, which annoyed me to some degree, I mean, if you do this on a regular basis, you'd think you'd try to buff up a bit and be ready for what people throw at you. Anyway, they leave, I close up shop yadda yadda.

Next Sunday, who shows up but the two 20 something guys that looked like totally lost. Turns out that they were brothers. Older brother starts chatting me up. We go on like last week, which was mostly me feeling out what they actually knew about religion in general while ignoring their questions. After a lull in the conversation I asked you guys really don't want to talking to me about this, do you? Younger says yes, so I turned on the Packer game and told them they could chill as long as the shop was open. We get to chatting again and as it turns out, their family was pressuring them into evangelism and all that. I told him that if they wanted they could hang out at the shop on Sundays and still log that they'd been out evangelizing. Long story short, they came out every week or two for the next couple months before one Sunday the older brother shows up and says that he and his younger brother were going to be moving away and cutting ties with their family. He thanked me for giving them a place to get the pressure off, then took off. I never saw them again.

Next Sunday after that, I didn't work, but my boss who is a distinct hater of the JWs was. A new batch of JWs had shown up and got ran off by my boss. She must've done something right, because I never saw a JW out there again.

Shame the brothers had to cut ties with their family, but from all the former Mormons and JWs I've ever met, it seems like that is the only way to really get away from it.
#46 Sep 06 2010 at 1:29 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
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I used to get them about once a month. I put up a "No soliciting" sign, which they ignored. I put up a "No Jehovahs's Witnesses" sign, which cut their visits down to about twice a year. The last two visits were by the same individual. The first time he came, I told him, quite rudely to not come back.

When he did, and I realized it was the same guy, I went out the back door, got the garden hose and hosed him down. Haven't seen him since.


What, you expect praise for this? That was really unnecessary. There are reasons for everything you described. Witnesses ignore the "no soliciting" sign, because, from a legal standpoint, they aren't soliciting.

As for the second sign, well.... When someone is put on the "Do Not Visit" list, an "elder" (one of the "men in charge" at the local level, if you will) will usually visit once a year to see if the person has A) moved, or B) changed their mind. That being said, I'm not sure why you got visited twice a year and the continued presence of the sign should have been enough to indicate that neither A or B were true. Still, spraying the poor man with a hose, while effective, was rather ******* of you. A mere verbal indication that you were of the same mind would have sufficed.

I think you missed the part where Deathwysh had already given that specific person the verbal warning. Smiley: tongue

Anyway, my grandfather used to get visits from Jehova's Witnesses about once a month when I was a kid. He hasn't received a visit from them in over fifteen years. Not since he managed to convert one of the last people who visited. My dad attempted to repeat that for ten years afterward, but no success.
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Witness publications teach that God's Kingdom is a literal government in heaven, ruled by Jesus Christ and 144,000 Christians drawn from the earth. The kingdom is viewed as the means by which God will accomplish his original purpose for the earth, transforming earth into a paradise without sickness or death. The kingdom is said to have been the focal point of Jesus' ministry on earth and established in heaven in 1914. They believe 1914 marks the restoration of God's rule over earth after being halted for 2520 years since 607 BC, the date they uniquely assign to the destruction of Jersualem by the Babylonians


Smiley: dubious

You couldn't make this stuff up....
That's why it's true, duh.
#48 Sep 06 2010 at 4:06 AM Rating: Good
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I think they they really *truly* believe that they are attempting to keep my soul from eternal damnation, from suffering for all eternity and while I don't believe that for a single moment...I think they do.
It's not your soul they're trying to save.
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#49 Sep 06 2010 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent
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#50 Sep 06 2010 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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paulsol, MDenham, Kavekk - We did not "make this stuff up." It's all in the Bible (for whatever that's worth to ya).
I actually wasn't making any claims of making things up; I just figured the inability to predict the apocalypse was interesting.

Though I will say that the timing given in the Bible is... uh, interestingly wrong in numerous places.
#51 Sep 06 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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You know Mormons have no concept of rape, right?


You are kidding. I hope. Mormons can get raped same as anyone can so of course we understand that concept.

The shunning JW do, always bothered me too. There are other religions that do this too, sadly enough. My grandfather was Mennonite, met my grandmother and that was the end of that even though he seemed to follow the teachings, otherwise, all his life.

Someday maybe the practice will end.

Something else JW do that bothers me is the "I am saved. You are not so I dont have to be nice to you" concept. A man who worked a previous shift from my husband always left things undone everyone else did for the next shift. My husband asked why and he was told this was the reason. My husband, sweet that he is, showed him his fist and asked if that fist would be a reason to do things right. It was.

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