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#52 Sep 06 2010 at 10:57 PM Rating: Good
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True, but Hawking is completely paralyzed and can't jack off, so he has to content himself with creating equations and theorems in his head.


He had a wife for about 20-30 years. (She married him, even knowing he was going to end up crippled.) They have kids. They divorced a while back, citing the old standby "irreconcilable differences."

So yeah, NOW he has to content himself with creating equations and theorems in his head. Before, though, he had at least one outlet.
#53 Sep 07 2010 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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Being a science buff and a skeptic but yet an agnostic, I've always agreed with Hawking that physics and science explain the how of the universe, leaving it up to religion to speculate as to the why. Science doesn't care about why something is the way it is. It is that way because the rules of phsyics were set up in such a way to make it so.
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#54 Sep 07 2010 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Huh?



Seriously, though, rednecks fear science because deep down, we all know God's a phony. Republicans just have a lot more to lose if we ever actually prove it, since a large portion of their political power is ferried to them by a two-thousand year-old zombie ****. You would think someone like Tailmon, though, would be squatting and look in the mirror one day and just come to the realization that God is the worst lie ever told. An even worse lie than an unwanted *****.
#55 Sep 07 2010 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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That said, it is hard to differentiate between smart and hard working and my recollection is that most of his contemporaries did not work so hard.


This is why I sit at home and play FFXI and write smutty stories all day. I'm smart, but I'm the opposite of hard working.
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#56 Sep 07 2010 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to be nice and not start off by calling you a moron. Essentially, I've asked "Why do you deny evolution?" to which you replied, "Because some people are mean about it!" I'm talking about reality here. Not an opinion; observable fact.


Huh? I don't deny evolution, and neither do the vast majority of religious people. What those people deny is that evolution somehow "disproves" creationism.

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Besides, even if Stephen Hawking is completely correct, it STILL doesn't dismiss the existence of God. If you'd take two seconds to read any of his work, you'd realize that he doesn't deny the possibility... he simply says that his existence might not be necessary.



Yes. That's my point. Just as Darwin didn't dismiss the possibility of a creation origin of life, Hawking does not dismiss the potential existence of God. But that does not stop people from interpreting their words that way.
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#58 Sep 07 2010 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still say humans were bio-engineered by aliens. /nod
#59 Sep 07 2010 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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I still say humans were bio-engineered by aliens. /nod


Is this in dispute...? Smiley: confused
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#61 Sep 07 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
I still say humans were bio-engineered by aliens. /nod


Is this in dispute...? Smiley: confused


Nah, just tossing it out there while I await their return. Should I be burning candles or incense, you think?
#62 Sep 07 2010 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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Huh? I don't deny evolution, and neither do the vast majority of religious people. What those people deny is that evolution somehow "disproves" creationism.


I know reality is not your strong point, but you might want to look up how people use the word "creationism".

It is not consistent with the way you are using it and I tire of linguistically bending over backwards to account for your deficiencies.

#63 Sep 07 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji tries very hard to refute the idea that religious people in the US believe in Creationism because he realizes that this means many (most?) Republicans ascribe to the belief. The simple fact is that there is a strong belief in literal Six Day Creationism in the US. Depending on the question and wind direction, around 45% of the US believes that God created the world's critters directly in their current form. Only around 15% 25% believe that God guided an evolutionary process and around 15-25% believe in non-divine evolution (with the remainder having no answer).

What definition of "vast majority of religious people" Gbaji is using is something you'd have to be Gbaji to understand, I guess. Or maybe God.

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 6:35pm by Jophiel
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#64 Sep 07 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
Nadenu wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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I still say humans were bio-engineered by aliens. /nod


Is this in dispute...? Smiley: confused


Nah, just tossing it out there while I await their return. Should I be burning candles or incense, you think?


Incense. I hear My bible tells me their favorite is patchouli.
#65 Sep 07 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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In fact there is no verifiable evidence, actual evidence not simulation models, that confirms that one species can evolve into another.
You mean other than those fish, and those moths, and those birds, and those lizards, and most of the "immortal" human cell lines, and pretty much every strain of bacteria?
#66 Sep 07 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
Not to mention if some "all mighty being" created giraffes, then they did a really, really ****** job.
#67 Sep 07 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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Quad,
In fact there is no verifiable evidence, actual evidence not simulation models, that confirms that one species can evolve into another.


Oh it happens all the time. For example, on the British Isles, every flowering plant species is known and from time to time (I can't recall the frequency; my impression was about 1/year) species evolve into new ones. It is known exactly where they came from and what was changed in the DNA.

It is stunningly uncontroversial in contrast with most science, which is a mess.
#68 Sep 07 2010 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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I'm going to be nice and not start off by calling you a moron. Essentially, I've asked "Why do you deny evolution?" to which you replied, "Because some people are mean about it!" I'm talking about reality here. Not an opinion; observable fact.



I'm not going to be nice and call you a mind numbed automoton who is taking information he's heard as fact without doing any research or fact finding of his own to verify the validity of the subject he's looking into.

I hate to break this to you but evolution is not a fact. In fact there is no verifiable evidence, actual evidence not simulation models, that confirms that one species can evolve into another. Note that I'm not saying evolution doesn't happen; merely that we don't have enough evidence to confirm or deny it. Sure it sounds more scientifically plausible than 'And God said let there be light' but that in and of itself doesn't mean it's true.
Go read the Jehovah's witness thread. I linked to a site containing about 30 examples of speciation.. (the evolution of one species into another) It's a great site to start out on evolutionary theory. Learn a little something. I am curious as to how you know I've not researched the topic, though.
#69 Sep 07 2010 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously, though, liberals fear religion because they live f*cked up lifes


Not me. So GFY.

And.

I find it interesting how the religious right (just like varus here), on one hand bang on about God and how He created us all in his image and all, but when it comes to their political views, they bang on about how we should all be working hard as individuals' to improve our lives. In other words, how people should get on with better themselves, without expecting help from the community at large, to sink or swim, as it were, as a result of their own efforts.

Thats as fine as an example of natural selection leading to evolutionary change as I can think of.

The strongest shall survive and prosper at the expense of the weakest.
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#70 Sep 07 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
Another book review:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/books/08book.html?_r=1&hpw

"At its core “The Grand Design” is an examination of a relatively new candidate for the “ultimate theory of everything,” something called M-theory, itself an extension of string theory, which tries to reconcile general relativity and quantum mechanics. “M-theory is not a theory in the usual sense,” the authors write. “It is a whole family of different theories.” According to M-theory, “ours is not the only universe,” the authors say. “Instead M-theory predicts that a great many universes were created out of nothing.” The image that comes to mind here, others have written about M-theory, is of a God blowing soap bubbles."

Okay: so if M-theory is true there are many universes. I can certainly buy that (not that I buy into M-theory). And it might be possible for many independent lines of research to tell us that M-theory is true. To my knowledge, and I am no expert in this area, M-theory has made no testable predictions. It has been around in some form since about 1995, so 15 years.

Perhaps it will soon. Perhaps those tests will be passed. At that point, I would become interested in the implications from a scientific point of view.

Still, I have not read the book. Perhaps there is more to it.
#71 Sep 07 2010 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Depending on the question and wind direction, around 45% of the US believes that God created the world's critters directly in their current form. Only around 15% believe that God guided an evolutionary process and around 15-25% believe in non-divine evolution (with the remainder having no answer).

Gallup places the ID crowd at a much higher percentage, but the pure creationist crowd remains at around 45%. (Yes Gallup was included in your link, the the other is more comprehensive for that poll).

It's also worth noting every single time that when most scientists like Hawking state that they don't categorically reject the notion of god, that they're teapot agnostics. It's far too easy to accidentally frame them as holding false equivalence between secular and religious beliefs.

Edited, Sep 7th 2010 6:37pm by Allegory
#72 Sep 07 2010 at 5:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Depending on the question and wind direction, around 45% of the US believes that God created the world's critters directly in their current form. Only around 15% believe that God guided an evolutionary process and around 15-25% believe in non-divine evolution (with the remainder having no answer).
Gallup places the ID crowd at a much higher percentage, but the pure creationist crowd remains at around 45%.

Whoops. I typoed and that was supposed to be 25% which was an eyeballed average of the collected polls on Polling Report.
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#73Almalieque, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 5:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow... from homosexuality to religion, next should be abortion.. I'll just add my same old two cents and bow out.
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*believing* in a perfect scientific solution is no different than believing in a higher being...

I'd get a refund on that fortune cookie.
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#75 Sep 07 2010 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
*believing* in a perfect scientific solution is no different than believing in a higher being...

It's probably good then that no one ever does that.
#76 Sep 07 2010 at 7:31 PM Rating: Default
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