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#77 Sep 03 2010 at 8:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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MDenham wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
Also, no Carter? I swear he was your go to "worst president ever"
FDR's probably fifth, behind Carter, LBJ, Obama... and Kennedy.

That's insane. No president from the past 50-odd years (including Nixon) should even rank before people like Buchanan, Pierce, Harding or (Andrew) Johnson.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2010 9:07pm by Jophiel
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#78 Sep 03 2010 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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I understand I'm late to the party, but

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Backhandidly blamed the economy on W.

As opposed to overtly blaming Obama for everything, as you are apt to do?
#79 Sep 03 2010 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
MDenham wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
Also, no Carter? I swear he was your go to "worst president ever"
FDR's probably fifth, behind Carter, LBJ, Obama... and Kennedy.

That's insane. No president from the past 50-odd years (including Nixon) should even rank before people like Buchanan, Pierce, Harding or (Andrew) Johnson.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2010 9:07pm by Jophiel
Sorry, I was only ranking the last hundred years at the time.

Aside from Kennedy, who fits in quite nicely with the four you gave also.

(Nixon wasn't a bad president, just completely without any sense of ethics whatsoever. But at least you knew he was going to ***** you over.)

Professor shintasama wrote:
MDenham wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
Also, no Carter? I swear he was your go to "worst president ever"
FDR's probably fifth, behind Carter, LBJ, Obama... and Kennedy.

Seriously, the country probably would be recovering from WW3 had Kennedy not been assassinated - he was that bad.
LBJ/JFK primarily because of Vietnam I'm assuming, so why not Bush/Bush for Iraq/Afganistan/etc?
I'm still not convinced those are going to come out as screwed up in the end as is being assumed. Get back to me in about thirty-five years (that being about how long it's taken for Vietnam to get out of the hole that it's been in).

And JFK not because of Vietnam, but because of his complete ineptitude in handling things prior to that. If he hadn't been assassinated, there would have been a pretty good chance of full-on war against the USSR by 1980 (well, better than there was at the time).

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#80 Sep 03 2010 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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MDenham wrote:
Sorry, I was only ranking the last hundred years at the time.

Oh, then you forgot Harding, Hoover & Ford. And Nixon who you bizarrely seem to disagree with.
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#81 Sep 03 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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And JFK not because of Vietnam, but because of his complete ineptitude in handling things prior to that.
You mean like getting us out of the cuban missle crisis diplomatically rather than starting a war with the USSR like his military advisers wanted him to? Or the part where he got the USSR and UK to sign the nuclear test ban treaty? Throw me a bone here, I'm a little rusty on pre-Nixon American history.
#82gbaji, Posted: Sep 03 2010 at 9:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um... The part where he got us *in* to the Cuban Missile crisis. And the part where he completely fubared the Bay of Pigs invasion because he got cold feet at the 11th hour, leaving the Cubans who'd already started the mission in preparation hanging high and dry. The part where he basically told the Soviets that they could walk over us (leading to said missile crisis as well as other problems and possibly extending the cold war for another 20 years). He basically bumbled from one foreign policy mistake to another, including Vietnam.
#83 Sep 03 2010 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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In short. A disaster.


Stop. Doing. This.
#84 Sep 03 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
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And JFK not because of Vietnam, but because of his complete ineptitude in handling things prior to that.
You mean like getting us out of the cuban missle crisis diplomatically rather than starting a war with the USSR like his military advisers wanted him to? Or the part where he got the USSR and UK to sign the nuclear test ban treaty? Throw me a bone here, I'm a little rusty on pre-Nixon American history.


Um... The part where he got us *in* to the Cuban Missile crisis. And the part where he completely fubared the Bay of Pigs invasion because he got cold feet at the 11th hour, leaving the Cubans who'd already started the mission in preparation hanging high and dry.
You think the soviets would have been less pissed if we had succeeded? Particularly had we gone with the original plan of attacking areas close to civilians? The better option would have been not to go through with Eisenhower's crazy **** in the first place.

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Obama is shaping up to be this generation's Carter. Similar lack of grasp of foreign policy, and similarly horrible economic policies, with a similarly naive social view.
Except that he's well received internationally, actually getting stuff done domestically, and to a large extent it's working?

They're not even close.
#85 Sep 04 2010 at 9:02 PM Rating: Excellent
Silly Shintasama. People other than Americans don't count when it comes to the opinion of the American president.

In fact, way more important is how Americans think that other countries perceive the president! (Nevermind that 20% of them still think he's a Muslim.)
#86 Sep 04 2010 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
We're just happy he snubbed the Queen. The six percent dissent is made purely of Royalists.
#87 Sep 04 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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catwho wrote:
Silly Shintasama. People other than Americans don't count when it comes to the opinion of the American president.

In fact, way more important is how Americans think that other countries perceive the president! (Nevermind that 20% of them still think he's a Muslim.)
Oh ****, they're going to have a field day when they realize how much Kenya approves of Obama. Also, this proves that in Soviet Russia, confidence have YOU!
#88REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 11:28 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) So in conclusion not one Democrat from this site took the 17 minutes to listen to Obama's second speech.
#89 Sep 07 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
So in conclusion not one Democrat from this site took the 17 minutes to listen to Obama's second speech.

Speeches are what politicians use to communicate with the uninformed or undecided. I listen to major addresses just to tune in but the choir isn't really the target audience.
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#90 Sep 07 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
So in conclusion not one Democrat from this site took the 17 minutes to listen to Obama's second speech.


Fact is Democrats know Obama is a disaster. They know their best bet is to try and completely ignore him and everything he's done the last 2yrs if they're going to have any chance at salvaging the mid-terms.

The Democrats and Obama are the primary reason the economy is in the state it is. No matter how much they try and blame others these are the facts. And until we reduce govn spending, kill obamacare, and reduce taxes on all taxpaying americans the economy will not get any better.
I wish I had the ability to think COMPLETELY in non sequitur.
#91gbaji, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 2:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They are remarkably similar. Both were elected for similar reasons and under similar broad distrust of the Republican brand (remember Nixon?). Both were chosen because they weren't considered Washington insiders, and were relatively new to the national political stage. Both were chosen because they were considered highly intelligent and educated but not yet corrupted by politics. The assumption being that this would somehow result in better leadership.
#92REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 3:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#93 Sep 07 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Gbaji wrote:
Obama is shaping up to be this generation's Carter. Similar lack of grasp of foreign policy, and similarly horrible economic policies, with a similarly naive social view.
Except that he's well received internationally


No. He's really not. The liberal echo chamber just assumes that he is and never actually bothers to check if it's true.
No, really. He is.
I can't speak for all of the world, but where the papers were filled with negative articles on America and Bush they now have positive articles about Obama.

It could have been just about anybody though, after Bush we couldn't possibly get a much more negative view of the US.
#94 Sep 07 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I can't speak for all of the world, but where the papers were filled with negative articles on America and Bush they now have positive articles about Obama.


Ah, the arm of the liberal media is long, indeed. Eh, gbaji?
#95 Sep 07 2010 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I can't speak for all of the world, but where the papers were filled with negative articles on America and Bush they now have positive articles about Obama.
Ah, the arm of the liberal media is long, indeed. Eh, gbaji?
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

gbaji wrote:
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Gbaji wrote:
Obama is shaping up to be this generation's Carter. Similar lack of grasp of foreign policy, and similarly horrible economic policies, with a similarly naive social view.
Except that he's well received internationally
No. He's really not. The liberal echo chamber just assumes that he is and never actually bothers to check if it's true.
Ok, so prove that he's viewed just as badly or worse than Bush among the rest of the world.



Edited, Sep 7th 2010 4:51pm by bsphil
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I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#96REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 3:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Aethia,
#97REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 3:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bsphil,
#98 Sep 07 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:


Of course logical thinking individuals understand that the rest of the world is happiest when america is at it's weakest.





You really ought to get a passport and go travelling sometime.

The worst thing that would happen is that you might learn something useful about people and the rest of the world that you live in.

Just don't come to New Zealand, if thats ok.
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#99 Sep 07 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
bsphil,

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Reality has a well-known liberal bias.


Only for those sucking off the govn t*t.


For the rest of us reality includes being fiscally conservative which includes not printing money whenever we need it.
If that's the case then why are nearly all of the conservative voting states receiving more federal tax dollars than they pay in, while the traditionally liberal voting states receive fewer than they pay in?
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If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
#100 Sep 07 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Oh that's right I almost forgot that liberal politicians don't actually need to tell their constituents what to think because they're already participating in mass group think.

I wish. This would really cut down on the amount of calls I get from the DCCC.
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#101REDACTED, Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bsphil,
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