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Oh I see, so it's Tourette's for southern hicks? "John Deere! Cotton gin! Mint Julip!"

edit: Damn you bsphil

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 4:30pm by AshOnMyTomatoes

****** used Nissan.

Big Red Truck is actually the punch-line of a dumb blonde joke.

That data is a bit misleading though. First off, no one really counts Camp David as a "vacation", since it's set up to essentially be a remote office for the President. Secondly, it's also more than unfair to compare Bush's time spent at his Ranch in Texas to time spent staying in hotels and villas and doing more touristy/vacationy type things.

It's all time out of the office, and I fully agree that the president is never really "out of the office" anyway, but the issue isn't so much with the idea that one president is lazying about more than another (Varus' implications aside), it's about costs and impact to the people for the trips. Bush was relatively inexpensive because once the ranch was set up, there was very little impact in terms of overhead and hassle for him to go there. One could look at it as an alternative to Camp David. You can't compare that to the impact of a presidential stay at a hotel in a vacation spot somewhere.


I tend to think it's a silly thing to make into a big deal anyway.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 4:23pm by gbaji

I didn't attack Obama on the issue, so it's reasonable to "defend Bush" on the same thing, isn't it?

Not really, no. Try and re-read and figure out why.

Bet you can't.

Hell, if that's true, then all conservatives are closeted homosexuals.

Most people are counting it as a type of vacation. Either way, that's why I separated the figures for both Obama and Bush. Taking away all Camp David figures away from both presidents doesn't do much to change the balance of the equation.

So he likes his Ranch. Why are you ******** on his ranch as not being a real vacation? Some people just enjoy clearing brush.

Yes, if you put aside the whole point of my post...

And now we're back to you being the sole person making this type of argument. The prop 8 thread all over again!

Exactly. Hence my original point:

I'd say the economic impact of spending money and staying in hotels and bringing businesses to depressed areas is much better than the economic impact of going to the ranch and clearing brush.

(BTW, he sold the ranch the moment he was out of the office. No need for that prop any more!)

I'm seeing your second sentence negating your first statement completely. Proof is in the pudding, and you're putting in no proof.

I'm pretty sure an N of "1" doesn't count as a trend, although grammatically I suppose "every chance they get" could only be once ever, but I'm pretty sure the first lady at least has more free time than that. I don't suppose you've considered their might be a point to foreign travel/socializing either?
well, given the state of Hawaii did present Obama's birth certificate (in fact they've done it so many times that they passed a law that the hospital wasn't required to anymore because it was being disruptive to their actual jobs taking care of sick people with their state mandated health coverage), it only seems fair that everyone in the GOP should have to present their certificates every time some nutjob with political amnesia demands it.

I also personally think it would be pretty hillarious to see the average republican's GPA, and how much taxpayer money was wasted on RNC meetings [1][2]


(arguing with var like swatting flies with a flamethrower, I feel like I should give myself a handicap just to give him a fighting chance...)

Edited, Sep 3rd 2010 11:53am by shintasama