Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
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Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
I thought a straw man was arguing about something to deflect from the actual discussion.
/gets on her soapbox.
Doesn't matter if anyone watch the puppies drown or not. Dumping a pet along the side of the road, in the wild or drowning them is illegal and become a public nuisance when they go feral. In a city feral cats become a public health problem as they spread fleas and illnesses that affect both humans and cats.
After having to put my cat asleep last week, I'm not about to watch the video. We think my daughter house, former own was a cat lady, as she has a constant problem with feral cats hanging around it and getting in the basement though a hole in the crawl space. She is constantly looking for homes for the cats and kittens that end up living around their house as it's illegal for her to feed them and no matter how often she takes them to the SPCA, there are always new litters of unwanted kittens around where she lives.
Another problem with feral cats is inbreeding, I learn when we took in a kitten years ago and found it's jaw was malformed. Our cats are always recused cats and Godiva was a pure breed Chocolate York, who our vet thinks was abbanded by a breeder, because she wasn't able to have healty kittens they could sell. At six months she had signs of already having 2 litters. We are one of the few families our vet will allow to adoubt cats who have personality issues.
It had been empty for years before her boyfriend brought the house and he found the remains of several cats along the shelf were foundation and walls meet.
Note it's a very old house with only a narrow basement with dirt walls and floor, and since the cats they do own are outdoor cats, they don't want to cover up the hole.
/gets off her soapbox.
Doesn't matter if anyone watch the puppies drown or not. Dumping a pet along the side of the road, in the wild or drowning them is illegal and become a public nuisance when they go feral. In a city feral cats become a public health problem as they spread fleas and illnesses that affect both humans and cats.
After having to put my cat asleep last week, I'm not about to watch the video. We think my daughter house, former own was a cat lady, as she has a constant problem with feral cats hanging around it and getting in the basement though a hole in the crawl space. She is constantly looking for homes for the cats and kittens that end up living around their house as it's illegal for her to feed them and no matter how often she takes them to the SPCA, there are always new litters of unwanted kittens around where she lives.
Another problem with feral cats is inbreeding, I learn when we took in a kitten years ago and found it's jaw was malformed. Our cats are always recused cats and Godiva was a pure breed Chocolate York, who our vet thinks was abbanded by a breeder, because she wasn't able to have healty kittens they could sell. At six months she had signs of already having 2 litters. We are one of the few families our vet will allow to adoubt cats who have personality issues.
It had been empty for years before her boyfriend brought the house and he found the remains of several cats along the shelf were foundation and walls meet.
Note it's a very old house with only a narrow basement with dirt walls and floor, and since the cats they do own are outdoor cats, they don't want to cover up the hole.
/gets off her soapbox.
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This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
A strawman is a misrepresentation of someone's argument that is then argued against or 'knocked down' rather than address what they are actually saying.
Kavekk the Pest wrote:
A strawman is a misrepresentation of someone's argument that is then argued against or 'knocked down' rather than address what they are actually saying.
I was close. In The Price is Right I'd win the showcase.
Kavekk the Pest wrote:
A strawman is a misrepresentation of someone's argument that is then argued against or 'knocked down' rather than address what they are actually saying.
Or the creation of your own weak argument so you can knock it down and prove yourself right.
"Nuclear energy is safe and clean. You may be thinking of Three Mile Island but let me tell you that not a single person died in that incident."
There are far better arguments against the safety and environmental effects of nuclear power than Three Mile Island and there is even a better argument to be made about TMI but by creating the argument myself and discrediting it, I have made my main point sound more convincing.
Said for the benefit of others, not to "correct" Kavekk
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
So what you people are saying is I shouldn't post that video of my dog eating precious little kittens?
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Psychopaths, now pretty much an extinct term I recall being tied tightly to empathy (the lack of it) displayed usually by committing physical savage acts and feeling no remorse for the outcome.
This is incorrect.
If you know 100 people, chances are very good that you know 2 sociopaths. They don't necessarily stand out in a crowd because of any propensity for cruelty. They don't connect with human emotion, but they don't necessarily get off on the suffering of others, either. Cruelty to animals may or may not be a symptom.
If they can fake it well enough to pass, and if their poor impulse control doesn't betray them, they can do quite well for themselves, materially at least.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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Psychopaths, now pretty much an extinct term I recall being tied tightly to empathy (the lack of it) displayed usually by committing physical savage acts and feeling no remorse for the outcome.
This is incorrect.
If you know 100 people, chances are very good that you know 2 sociopaths. They don't necessarily stand out in a crowd because of any propensity for cruelty. They don't connect with human emotion, but they don't necessarily get off on the suffering of others, either. Cruelty to animals may or may not be a symptom.
If they can fake it well enough to pass, and if their poor impulse control doesn't betray them, they can do quite well for themselves, materially at least.
If you know a hundred conservatives, chances are you
Samira wrote:
If you know 100 people on =4, chances are very good that you know 40+ sociopaths.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Samira wrote:
If you know 100 people on =4, chances are very good that you know 40+ sociopaths.
Oh come on, we don't have that many socks.
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Oh come on, we don't have that many socks.
How many socks does Varus have at this point?
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
Go hug your puppy now.
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Elinda wrote:
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
Go hug your puppy now.
Which is pretty much the definition of "Tu quoque" Give me the shovel, that hole is deep enough already.
ElneClare wrote:
We think my daughter house, former own was a cat lady, as she has a constant problem with feral cats hanging around it and getting in the basement though a hole in the crawl space.
I learn when we took in a kitten years ago and found it's jaw was malformed. Our cats are always recused cats and Godiva was a pure breed Chocolate York, who our vet thinks was abbanded by a breeder, because she wasn't able to have healty kittens they could sell. At six months she had signs of already having 2 litters. We are one of the few families our vet will allow to adoubt cats who have personality issues.
It had been empty for years before her boyfriend brought the house and he found the remains of several cats along the shelf were foundation and walls meet.
Note it's a very old house with only a narrow basement with dirt walls and floor, and since the cats they do own are outdoor cats, they don't want to cover up the hole.
/gets off her soapbox.
I learn when we took in a kitten years ago and found it's jaw was malformed. Our cats are always recused cats and Godiva was a pure breed Chocolate York, who our vet thinks was abbanded by a breeder, because she wasn't able to have healty kittens they could sell. At six months she had signs of already having 2 litters. We are one of the few families our vet will allow to adoubt cats who have personality issues.
It had been empty for years before her boyfriend brought the house and he found the remains of several cats along the shelf were foundation and walls meet.
Note it's a very old house with only a narrow basement with dirt walls and floor, and since the cats they do own are outdoor cats, they don't want to cover up the hole.
/gets off her soapbox.
Uhm, What?
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The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
Go hug your puppy now.
Which is pretty much the definition of "Tu quoque" Give me the shovel, that hole is deep enough already.
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Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
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ElneClare wrote:
We think my daughter house, former own was a cat lady,
Hmmmm.... you aren't, by any chance, aurally challenged are you. Just wondering, as I have some friends that learned ASL, and for some reason the wording of this put me in mind of it.
I hope you aren't offended by my asking, its just that the sentence kinda struck me.
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Tu quoque
Also: there really ought to be a term for the fallacy of arguing that something isn't wrong because other things are worse. Does one exist that I'm unaware of?
Edited, Sep 15th 2010 4:00pm by Eske
Go hug your puppy now.
Which is pretty much the definition of "Tu quoque"
Edited, Sep 16th 2010 2:20am by Elinda
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Elinda wrote:
ShadorVIII wrote:
Which is pretty much the definition of "Tu quoque" Give me the shovel, that hole is deep enough already.
I've not a clue what Tu queque means. I was responding to this.
If you're going to debate with people, you really should learn the names and definitions of common logical fallacies, at the very least so you can know what assinine mistakes you're making.
ElneClare wrote:
We think the former owner of my daughter's house was a cat lady, as she has a constant problem with feral cats hanging around it and getting into the basement though a hole in the crawl space. I found out about this when we took in a kitten years ago and found out it's jaw was malformed.
Our cats are always rescue cats and Godiva was a pure breed Chocolate York, who our vet thinks was abandoned by a breeder because she wasn't able to have healthy kittens they could sell; at six months she had signs of already having 2 litters. We are one of the few families our vet will allow to adopt cats who have personality issues.
The house had been empty for years before her boyfriend bought it and he found the remains of several cats along the shelf where the foundation and walls meet.
Note it's a very old house with a narrow basement that has dirt walls and floor, and since the cats my daughter and her bf owns are outdoor cats they don't want to cover up the hole.
/gets off her soapbox.
Our cats are always rescue cats and Godiva was a pure breed Chocolate York, who our vet thinks was abandoned by a breeder because she wasn't able to have healthy kittens they could sell; at six months she had signs of already having 2 litters. We are one of the few families our vet will allow to adopt cats who have personality issues.
The house had been empty for years before her boyfriend bought it and he found the remains of several cats along the shelf where the foundation and walls meet.
Note it's a very old house with a narrow basement that has dirt walls and floor, and since the cats my daughter and her bf owns are outdoor cats they don't want to cover up the hole.
/gets off her soapbox.
Presenting new ElneClaire posts in a non-drowsy formula.
Edited, Sep 16th 2010 2:10pm by Shaowstrike
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The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
ElneClare wrote:
We think my daughter house, former own was a cat lady,
Hmmmm.... you aren't, by any chance, aurally challenged are you. Just wondering, as I have some friends that learned ASL, and for some reason the wording of this put me in mind of it.
I hope you aren't offended by my asking, its just that the sentence kinda struck me.
Yes I am, though my hearing test normal, I cannot distinguish the difference between several phonemes. Few people actually realize that I am aurally challenged. Most just think I have a New England accent, since I can't pronounce works like car and park since they both have |c| and |r| phonemes in them. Jonwin is one of 2 who on hearing me talk asked if I was deaf. The lower language functions center in my brain has a hard time distinguishing phonemes and at times words sound much like static to me, so I am self taught to read lips.
To compensate for the lower language center's failure to tell certain sounds apart, the higher language centers will develop more, to make up for it. Thus I have excellent reading skills and vocabulary that I struggle with since I can't spell phonetically.
Sentence should have read: We think my daughter's house, former owner was a cat lady.
In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair! -ElneClare
This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
Elinda wrote:
ShadorVIII wrote:
Which is pretty much the definition of "Tu quoque" Give me the shovel, that hole is deep enough already.
I've not a clue what Tu queque means. I was responding to this.
If you're going to debate with people, you really should learn the names and definitions of common logical fallacies, at the very least so you can know what assinine mistakes you're making.
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Elinda wrote:
This is not a debate forum.
Au contraire. Event if this is not a de jure debate forum, it certainly is a de facto one.
Elinda wrote:
According to the first google definition I passed. Yes, I appealed to hypocrisy. If the shoe fits, eh. It's a bit more civil than name calling.
And yet you still fail to grasp that arguing that some (or even most) people who hold position "x" are being hypocritical does not invalidate position "x".
Edited, Sep 16th 2010 2:38pm by ShadorVIII
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Au contraire. Event if this is not a de jure debate forum, it certainly is a de facto one.
You're Shador, ipso facto you're a slimy little fuck.
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