Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Girl murders bucket of puppiesFollow

#52 Sep 02 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
***
1,701 posts
Kavekk the Pest wrote:
Quote:
There's no reason to ever dispose of that many puppies, unless, as you employed when crafting your characteristically numb@#%^ed metaphor, you're eating them. Take it from me, I've ended a puppy or two's brief life.


What about an animal sacrifice to the local river god?



That's so 1900s (B.C.)
____________________________
If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Then find someone that life has given vodka and have party.


This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
#53 Sep 02 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
-REDACTED-
Scholar
***
1,150 posts
Kavekk the Pest wrote:
Shaowstrike wrote:
Kavekk the Pest wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Quote:
If you think she should be locked up you'd have to lock up every for-pleasure hunter in the world.


No, as they're hunting for sport & cruelty to animal charges still apply to hunters (at least in the USA). You can shoot a dear, but you can't torture it.

This girl is literally having fun murdering puppies. Wouldn't you agree that someone has to be quite deranged in order to enjoy that?


Being a bit deranged isn't a crime.


A bit deranged is imagining you killing your co-workers. Quite deranged is acting out on that fantasy. She is definitely deranged and should be placed immediately into mandatory psychological counseling.

Just because they were puppies some people are trying to downplay the act, but what if she had decided to toss in someone's baby that she just happened to be babysitting?


That would be an entirely different situation, because a baby's life has worth.


And a puppy's life doesn't?

Glad some folks disagree with you. Director Michael Bay has put up a $50K reward for information leading to this girl's arrest and conviction. Combined with PETA's $2K reward, that makes $52K, or about $8.6K for each puppy she murdered. That some worth for ya?
#54 Sep 02 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
Soulless Internet Tiger
******
35,474 posts
Criminal Minds tells me that serial killers often start with maiming, then to killing animals as a build up to their fellow human beings. I think CSI may have taught me the same thing, so with 2 sources, we know it's definitive.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 5:24pm by Uglysasquatch
____________________________
Donate. One day it could be your family.


An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo

#55 Sep 02 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
Quote:
And a puppy's life doesn't?

Glad some folks disagree with you. Director Michael Bay has put up a $50K reward for information leading to this girl's arrest and conviction. Combined with PETA's $2K reward, that makes $52K, or about $8.6K for each puppy she murdered. That some worth for ya?


Consider that I don't eat meat (partly for ethical reasons) and see if you can better contextualise my post.
#56 Sep 02 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Smiley: laugh

I could actually hear the disdain through the browser window. Well done.

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

#57 Sep 02 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
*****
13,240 posts
Quote:
Glad some folks disagree with you. Director Michael Bay has put up a $50K reward for information leading to this girl's arrest and conviction. Combined with PETA's $2K reward, that makes $52K, or about $8.6K for each puppy she murdered. That some worth for ya?


Man, if that's the going price of dead puppies, I should order a couple more buckets of em.

Each of those puppies is worth like, 3 African children.
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#58 Sep 03 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
******
27,272 posts
Timelordwho wrote:
Quote:
Glad some folks disagree with you. Director Michael Bay has put up a $50K reward for information leading to this girl's arrest and conviction. Combined with PETA's $2K reward, that makes $52K, or about $8.6K for each puppy she murdered. That some worth for ya?


Man, if that's the going price of dead puppies, I should order a couple more buckets of em.

Each of those puppies is worth like, 3 African children.
And they're smaller too so puppies are way more efficient!
#59 Sep 03 2010 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
Sage
****
4,042 posts
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Still, in the river they have a chance to die relatively quickly.


I'm not sure how. I would think that drowning would be terrifying and not terribly fast.


Actually, people who have survived a near-death experience by drowning usually describe a euphoria that comes over them at the point that the oxygen becomes almost nonexistent in the body. It takes what, 5 minutes without oxygen for the average human body to shut down? How long do you think it would take a few week old, 2 pound puppy? The puppies probably didn't suffer long. I'm not condoning nor excusing the actions, but do take solace in the fact that it wasn't as torturous as it could have been. The worst part was obviously the two people partaking in the actions enjoying it so much. I'm pretty sure most deer hunters don't get much satisfaction from killing a fawn.
#60 Sep 03 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
Guenny wrote:
Actually, people who have survived a near-death experience by drowning usually describe a euphoria that comes over them at the point that the oxygen becomes almost nonexistent in the body. It takes what, 5 minutes without oxygen for the average human body to shut down? How long do you think it would take a few week old, 2 pound puppy? The puppies probably didn't suffer long. I'm not condoning nor excusing the actions, but do take solace in the fact that it wasn't as torturous as it could have been.


I've always thought that drowning or suffocating in any way would be horrible, so that helps, I guess.

I can't imagine flying through the air then smacking the water felt very good, either, though. Smiley: frown

#61 Sep 03 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
I drown myself a little bit every time I bathe. I find it meditative.
#62 Sep 03 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
Gave Up The D
Avatar
*****
12,281 posts
Barkingturtle wrote:
I drown myself a little bit every time I bathe. I find it meditative.


URDOINITWRONG! You need to go almost full sensory deprivation by complete submersion for true meditation.
____________________________
Shaowstrike (Retired - FFXI)
91PUP/BLM 86SMN/BST 76DRK
Cooking/Fishing 100


"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
— James D. Nicoll
#63 Sep 03 2010 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
Worst. Title. Ever!
*****
17,302 posts
Guenny wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Still, in the river they have a chance to die relatively quickly.


I'm not sure how. I would think that drowning would be terrifying and not terribly fast.


Actually, people who have survived a near-death experience by drowning usually describe a euphoria that comes over them at the point that the oxygen becomes almost nonexistent in the body. It takes what, 5 minutes without oxygen for the average human body to shut down? How long do you think it would take a few week old, 2 pound puppy? The puppies probably didn't suffer long. I'm not condoning nor excusing the actions, but do take solace in the fact that it wasn't as torturous as it could have been. The worst part was obviously the two people partaking in the actions enjoying it so much. I'm pretty sure most deer hunters don't get much satisfaction from killing a fawn.


I have came close before. And it was not a euphoric feeling at all. Maybe had I actually gotten to the point where the oxygen levels were low enough that I had passed out it may have felt better. But all I remember is panicking, flailing my arms as I tried to get above the surface as wave after wave crashed on top of me every time I got close enough to the surface to try and draw a breath. Then the pain of the salt water burning my throat as I kept gasping for air. Crying on the beach afterward when my father finally pulled me out of the water.

Not exactly peaceful. Sure, the exact moments when your body is so deprived of oxygen that everything shuts down may be "peaceful" but the time spent reaching that point is painful and frightening.
____________________________
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
#64 Sep 03 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
-REDACTED-
Scholar
***
1,150 posts
#65 Sep 10 2010 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
It's Just a Flesh Wound
******
22,702 posts
Barkingturtle wrote:
Seriously, though, at least on the side of the road someone can potentially rescue them. Nobody pans for puppies.


Slightly serious BT always makes me laugh.
____________________________
Dear people I don't like: 凸(●´―`●)凸
#66 Sep 14 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
****
6,471 posts
Guenny wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Still, in the river they have a chance to die relatively quickly.


I'm not sure how. I would think that drowning would be terrifying and not terribly fast.


Actually, people who have survived a near-death experience by drowning usually describe a euphoria that comes over them at the point that the oxygen becomes almost nonexistent in the body. It takes what, 5 minutes without oxygen for the average human body to shut down? How long do you think it would take a few week old, 2 pound puppy? The puppies probably didn't suffer long. I'm not condoning nor excusing the actions, but do take solace in the fact that it wasn't as torturous as it could have been. The worst part was obviously the two people partaking in the actions enjoying it so much. I'm pretty sure most deer hunters don't get much satisfaction from killing a fawn.


Cutter: "I once told you about a sailor who described drowning"

Robert Angier: "Yes, he said it was like going home."

Cutter: "I lied. He said it was agony."




Made me think of that line. Smiley: frown

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 6:56pm by Eske
#67 Sep 14 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
Quote:
I have came close before. And it was not a euphoric feeling at all. Maybe had I actually gotten to the point where the oxygen levels were low enough that I had passed out it may have felt better. But all I remember is panicking, flailing my arms as I tried to get above the surface as wave after wave crashed on top of me every time I got close enough to the surface to try and draw a breath. Then the pain of the salt water burning my throat as I kept gasping for air. Crying on the beach afterward when my father finally pulled me out of the water.

Not exactly peaceful. Sure, the exact moments when your body is so deprived of oxygen that everything shuts down may be "peaceful" but the time spent reaching that point is painful and frightening.


I second this one. I was being retarded when I was a kid and swimming through a small hole in the fence that separated the two sides of my local beach. Naturally, I got stuck. Pure mortal terror is all I can describe about that. I'm a very lucky ******* that one of my friends managed to pull me out and not get drowned by me clinging to him for dear life. Even if there is a euphoria at the end of the drowning, it sure as hell isn't worth the terror that precedes it.
#68 Sep 15 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Guenny wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Still, in the river they have a chance to die relatively quickly.


I'm not sure how. I would think that drowning would be terrifying and not terribly fast.


Actually, people who have survived a near-death experience by drowning usually describe a euphoria that comes over them at the point that the oxygen becomes almost nonexistent in the body. It takes what, 5 minutes without oxygen for the average human body to shut down? How long do you think it would take a few week old, 2 pound puppy? The puppies probably didn't suffer long. I'm not condoning nor excusing the actions, but do take solace in the fact that it wasn't as torturous as it could have been. The worst part was obviously the two people partaking in the actions enjoying it so much. I'm pretty sure most deer hunters don't get much satisfaction from killing a fawn.


Cutter: "I once told you about a sailor who described drowning"

Robert Angier: "Yes, he said it was like going home."

Cutter: "I lied. He said it was agony."




Made me think of that line. Smiley: frown

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 6:56pm by Eske
Dying is not fun. We're talking dogs here though, not people. Call me heartless, but I just can't find the outrage about this. We kill animals all the time. We drown them, boil them, butcher them, gas them, run over them with our cars, step on them, hunt them.

Would it be better if the puppies would have has a nice loving home - sure? But they didn't. The tragedy is that 'we' - a totally 'nother species, decide we like to have dogs around (when it's convenient)as pets. pets. We cuddle them and pretend they're our babies, and we play dress up or fetch with them. We do this for our pleasure - not theirs. We humans are not always the best caretakers of things. So some of these little playthings are born and unwanted and inconvenient and untended and tossed out - disposed of.

...and now we're gonna go all righteous on some teenager who 'disposed' of them as was requested by her guardian because it happened to be caught on video. Meh.

____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#69 Sep 15 2010 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
Elinda wrote:
Dying is not fun. We're talking dogs here though, not people. Call me heartless, but I just can't find the outrage about this. We kill animals all the time. We drown them, boil them, butcher them, gas them, run over them with our cars, step on them, hunt them.

Would it be better if the puppies would have has a nice loving home - sure? But they didn't. The tragedy is that 'we' - a totally 'nother species, decide we like to have dogs around (when it's convenient)as pets. pets. We cuddle them and pretend they're our babies, and we play dress up or fetch with them. We do this for our pleasure - not theirs. We humans are not always the best caretakers of things. So some of these little playthings are born and unwanted and inconvenient and untended and tossed out - disposed of.

...and now we're gonna go all righteous on some teenager who 'disposed' of them as was requested by her guardian because it happened to be caught on video. Meh.


No, we're going to go all righteous on a teenager who took obvious pleasure in causing pain to a helpless animal. That's the issue here.

We domesticated these animals. We have a responsibility to care for them and to keep their lives as pain free as possible. That's why we have rules about animal cruelty and how to slaughter an animal for food. If you don't care about this, that's fine. But to act like there's no reason to be upset about this is just silly. It's not because it was a bucket of puppies. It could've been any animal, and people would still be upset.
#70 Sep 15 2010 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
****
6,471 posts
Elinda wrote:
Dying is not fun. We're talking dogs here though, not people. Call me heartless, but I just can't find the outrage about this. We kill animals all the time. We drown them, boil them, butcher them, gas them, run over them with our cars, step on them, hunt them.

Would it be better if the puppies would have has a nice loving home - sure? But they didn't. The tragedy is that 'we' - a totally 'nother species, decide we like to have dogs around (when it's convenient)as pets. pets. We cuddle them and pretend they're our babies, and we play dress up or fetch with them. We do this for our pleasure - not theirs. We humans are not always the best caretakers of things. So some of these little playthings are born and unwanted and inconvenient and untended and tossed out - disposed of.

...and now we're gonna go all righteous on some teenager who 'disposed' of them as was requested by her guardian because it happened to be caught on video. Meh.



I think you're overextending yourself trying to play devil's advocate here. There are differences between killing an animal as humanely as possible for food, and torturing an animal for pleasure, or because it inconvenienced you (or both, in this case). They're clearly not the same thing.

We certainly do have an issue with people only being concerned about "cute" or "pet" animals: it's hard to find advocates for sharks, for example, while people fawn over dolphins. And we also have issues with a "blissful ignorance" of much of our own meat preparation. But that doesn't mean that everyone has those hangups.

I haven't watched the video, but I can safely say that there are more humane ways to treat the dogs than to chuck them into a river to drown. That's really not much of a stretch. And the pleasure that the kid seems to derive from the act is probably an indication that she chose that method specifically to garner some enjoyment out of killing the dogs, and in such a torturous manner, too. That's not ok.
#71 Sep 15 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
*****
12,049 posts
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Dying is not fun. We're talking dogs here though, not people. Call me heartless, but I just can't find the outrage about this. We kill animals all the time. We drown them, boil them, butcher them, gas them, run over them with our cars, step on them, hunt them.

Would it be better if the puppies would have has a nice loving home - sure? But they didn't. The tragedy is that 'we' - a totally 'nother species, decide we like to have dogs around (when it's convenient)as pets. pets. We cuddle them and pretend they're our babies, and we play dress up or fetch with them. We do this for our pleasure - not theirs. We humans are not always the best caretakers of things. So some of these little playthings are born and unwanted and inconvenient and untended and tossed out - disposed of.

...and now we're gonna go all righteous on some teenager who 'disposed' of them as was requested by her guardian because it happened to be caught on video. Meh.


No, we're going to go all righteous on a teenager who took obvious pleasure in causing pain to a helpless animal. That's the issue here.

We domesticated these animals. We have a responsibility to care for them and to keep their lives as pain free as possible. That's why we have rules about animal cruelty and how to slaughter an animal for food. If you don't care about this, that's fine. But to act like there's no reason to be upset about this is just silly. It's not because it was a bucket of puppies. It could've been any animal, and people would still be upset.


This, exactly.

Even hunters have to follow laws when it comes to killing. There is a fine but definite line between killing and taking pleasure in torturing other creatures.

Also, I'm super disappointed every time I see this topic come back up because I keep hoping to hear a resolution to the issue. Last I heard, her facebook was found, then she took her account down, and police were alerted to her in her country. No idea what came of it since then.
#72 Sep 15 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
LockeColeMA wrote:
Also, I'm super disappointed every time I see this topic come back up because I keep hoping to hear a resolution to the issue. Last I heard, her facebook was found, then she took her account down, and police were alerted to her in her country. No idea what came of it since then.


You should read the whole page. Smiley: tongue

The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
#73 Sep 15 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
*****
12,049 posts
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:


We certainly do have an issue with people only being concerned about "cute" or "pet" animals: it's hard to find advocates for sharks, for example, while people fawn over dolphins.


Which is ironic, as dolphins torture other animals for pleasure too.
#74 Sep 15 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
****
6,471 posts
#75 Sep 15 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:

And the pleasure that the kid seems to derive from the act is probably an indication that she chose that method specifically to garner some enjoyment out of killing the dogs, and in such a torturous manner, too. That's not ok.
You claimed you didn't watch the video.

I did. I saw no evidence of torture. I mean she obviously didn't gleefully and insidiously watch the puppies suffering once they were in the water and dying. The only emotion visible that you could call enjoyment was gained from tossing an object up into the sky and watching it plop into the water.

Devil's advocate? Maybe, I don't think this girl did anything deserving of the bullying, the harassment and now a possibly legal consequences for killing these dogs - unless she polluted the river or something. Its hypocritical from anyone but the most staunch vegan.
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#76 Sep 15 2010 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
****
6,471 posts
Elinda wrote:
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:

And the pleasure that the kid seems to derive from the act is probably an indication that she chose that method specifically to garner some enjoyment out of killing the dogs, and in such a torturous manner, too. That's not ok.
You claimed you didn't watch the video.

I did. I saw no evidence of torture. I mean she obviously didn't gleefully and insidiously watch the puppies suffering once they were in the water and dying. The only emotion visible that you could call enjoyment was gained from tossing an object up into the sky and watching it plop into the water.

Devil's advocate? Maybe, I don't think this girl did anything deserving of the bullying, the harassment and now a possibly legal consequences for killing these dogs - unless she polluted the river or something. Its hypocritical from anyone but the most staunch vegan.


Drowning is torture. And I'm not buying that her enjoyment was wholly separated from the act of killing. Can't pry those two apart here.

Bullying and harassment, no. But an animal cruelty charge? Yeah.
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 291 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (291)