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Aghanistan in particular, and the wider ME in general sorta springs to mind.

'Cos if they stabbed you to death, there would be no point keeping the corner shop open till late stocked to the gunwhales with boxes of 20 B&H, big blue Rizlas, yummy veggie samosas and packets of Walkers Cheese and Onion, D'uh!

Thats what Mohammed down at our corner shop says of me anyway.

Also, varus is an ignorant ****.

A brilliant young man brought this image to my attention.

Yeah, it can't really be statistically significant, since if it was there would've been a lot more terror attacks in the US...

What, the fact that Christians and Muslims (and Jews, for that matter) all worship the same deity?

I can see a lot of people getting killed, some of whom maybe Taleban, probably none of which are Al Qeada, most of which are civilians, and all of which are muslims. In a muslim country, by (mostly Christian) occupying troops.






One of the things that 'we' in the West tend to not understand, is that muslims are muslims. They don't see themselves as 'seperate' just because of geographic distance. Unfortunately this misunderstanding is just one of many that has led to situation the world finds itself in today.


I dont know if anyones keeping count, but finding cases like this isn't too hard.

If you want to look further afield, like I said, look to Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza etc etc.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 4:24am by paulsol

I honestly have no idea what that means.







You used to attempt to sound smart. It's like you're not even trying anymore.



So... it's almost like they don't want the Ground Zero Mosque built because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks... and people in Murfreesboro don't want the Murfreesboro Mosque built because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

But no, that can't be right. Because gbaji says they aren't related at all.



Sure. They shouldn't build a mosque on the same site that had a mosque built on it when the terror attacks happened. That would be silly.

ETA: Maybe I'm wrong about this. I heard somewhere that this property was owned by the developers long before the attacks, is that wrong?





Not my standards. This mosque is not the taliban or Al-Qaeda's version of Islam. By saying it is, you sound like varus. Congratulations.

Oh, and yes, that's pretty fucking bigoted to judge an entire religion on the actions of a few.



Honestly, I don't have statistics about Muslims being treated badly because getting yelled at, snubbed, ignored at a store, or refused service isn't really reported. But it happens. You are honestly going to sit there and pretend it doesn't? While people are vandalizing the building site for mosques, debating whether or not a mosque should be built in New York, and knifing cab drivers because they are Muslim? Are you blind...?

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 12:05am by Belkira

And they're all also just rehashings of older deities. Always surprises me that people can look at identical stories with different names and claim with certainty that one is correct and that all others (most of them older, at that) are false.

Religion is silly.

It means that just because one response to 9/11 may be bigoted does not mean that *all* responses to 9/11 must be. You said that they were both bigotry, and it was all about 9/11. I asked if there was a response to 9/11 which you *wouldn't* label as bigotry. Seemed like a reasonable question.



Unless every single mosque built in the US over the last 10 years has faced the same opposition, then we must conclude that it is not the mere building of a mosque which results in said response. Thus, the one thing they have in common can't be the reason they're being opposed. Thus, they are not both being opposed for the same reason.

Get it? It's called logic. Or are you suggesting that bigots only oppose mosque building in two locations in the entire US, and one of them happens to be some town in TN that none of us have ever heard of much less spell without a cut and paste. So ground zero and a town in TN? No where else?

Methinks there is something more to it, and you've shown no reason to suggest that the something more is the same something more in both locations. Just saying "it's bigotry" isn't enough.



The question to ask is why there *isn't* opposition in all the other locations in which mosques have been built. Because if it was that simple, they'd have been opposed "because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks" too. You are presenting an incredibly simplistic argument that fails at the most basic of examination.




Yes. You are wrong. IIRC, it was a burlington coat factory store. It was damaged in the 9/11 attack and put up for sale. The group in question managed to put in a bid to buy and develop it while bypassing several of the normal steps that would be involved. I'm not even going to get into the political aspects involved with the fast tracking of the purchase and approval for development, while building anything on the WTC site itself has stalled, but there are some pretty fishy goings-on there as well.



Um... Duh. Because they know how powerful of a propaganda tool it will be if built.



Lol... And I'm sure that guy is being completely honest. If you can't trust the Taliban to tell you what you should do, then who can you trust? It's not the opposition to the mosque which gets them support, it's the fact that it's an ongoing issue which hasn't been resolved yet. They are building support to get what they want (the mosque built on that site). It's not rocket science to noodle out why.




Are Muslims victims of crimes in the US at a rate higher than other groups? I would think that if one is trying to argue that Muslims are being oppressed that they really ought to be able to provide statistics which bear this out. Doubly so if a position on an issue rests on the assumption that they are.

Isn't it possible that you're just being told that this is happening so that you'll support a given political "side" of the issue? How about getting some information for yourself and making up your own mind?

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 5:15pm by gbaji

Yeah, your sentence made absolutely no sense. Something was mistyped, and I wasn't sure what you were saying. In any case, you're assuming an awful lot. I'm sure there are plenty of reactions to 9/11 that aren't bigoted except, you know, the bigoted ones.



While I don't have time to find out exactly how many Mosques have been built since 9/11 and see if each and every one was protested against, there is this:



Get it? It's called the truth. Maybe you should try that out instead of "it's obvious?"

Oh, wait, of course you won't.



Apparently it doesn't. Since there are other mosques being protested. Imagine that....




My mistake. Thanks for clearing that up, I'm not sure where I heard the other.




Yes, exactly. They're saying, "Look at that! Those Americans hate all Muslims, look at how they treat you! Now, put on this vest and hold this little button in your hand like this..."

Contradictory statements (ignoring all of the errors).

Nobody thinks the Taliban want peace. What gave you that stupid idea? They're going to hate America no matter what happens, so why are we bothering trying to cater to how the Taliban or Al-Qaeda will react? Why does anyone in the country give a sh*t what they think? Why should we be compromising our first amendment rights in not allowing the mosque to be built so that we don't "appease" the terrorists?

Here's a newsflash for you: Mosques have been built all around the country already and have existed without incident. If something were to happen from there, we will intervene and go from there. Until then, in this country, we are all innocent until proven guilty. By the by, 'terrorist' is not a synonym for 'Muslim', dipsh*t.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 9:57pm by bsphil

No one is trying to avoid offending the Taliban or al'quaida. What people are trying to avoid is setting up a culture of hate towards the Islamic community.

The reason building the mosque hurts the Taliban is because it builds bridges with the Islamic community that doesn't want to kill us. Terrorist groups can't point to it to get recruits, where if it's super protested and in the end doesn't happen, they can point to that as America hating them.

Building a mosque there in no way helps terrorist groups, it only hurts them.