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#27 Aug 31 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
varusword75 wrote:
Samy,

Would you like to talk about what is specified in Islam?

Would you like to talk about why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca?

Would you like to explain why muslims are responsible for by far the majority of terrorist attacks in the world?

Would you like to explain why the Koran tells ALL it's followers to convert or kill the non-believers?

Would you like to explain why not one Muslim state has affirmed Israels right to exist?



I can go on but I think you get the point.


You do realize that Al-Qaeda wants you to make all of those connections, don't you? And that by thinking that all Muslims are evil and targetting them, you're letting Al-Qaeda win? This is exactly what they want. They want to be the face if Islam and make everyone afraid.
#28 Aug 31 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, we could; but neither of us knows all that much about it, so what's the point?

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#29 Aug 31 2010 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sick of the baddies turning out to be Muslims in the majority of action films the past two decades, after the end of the Cold War, during which all the baddies turned out to be Russian. I'm sick of Vox Pops on Australian, American and European streets saying they don't think having a "mosque" built in their locality is appropriate. I'm sick of women and girls in head-scarves being yelled at and spat on. I'm sick of the scapegoating of an entire religion of people.

I'm sick of stories about girls having their clitorises mutilated, women being stoned to death for misdemeanors, sectarian violence that ends up killing American troops, blatant Holocaust denial, and clergy-state support of terrorist attacks against Israel.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 10:03am by Demea

Yes, those facts make me sick too. But you know what? The Muslims down your street aren't likely to have participated in any of that.

Female Genital Mutilation is strictly forbidden in Australia, and to show immigrant communities that we're serious about that, guardians and complicit adults who have sent their daughters overseas to have it done have been arrested and jailed and their children's guardianship reassigned. Jews and Christians who come from the Middle East and North Africa ALSO perform FGM on their daughters, and have to be broken of the same idea that an intact daughter is an unmarriagable woman.

Just like waves of Greek, Italian, Eastern European, Chinese and South-East Asian migrants have had to be broken of the idea that their daughters can't leave home on their own, must have strict curfews until they are married, can't have tertiary educations, can't choose whom they marry themselves.

You can bet your **** that most Muslims in a Western countries are pleased as punch that they don't live under Sharia law. Wars have been fought and are being fought overseas between the Muslims who want Sharia, and the Muslims who don't want Sharia.

I'm sorry American troops are being killed overseas. So are Australian and European troops. We all are the ones who've decided we want to police the world, position ourselves in foreign nations as Peak Oil looms, and respond to guerilla attacks on our own territory with large scale classical warfare.

The most egregious blatant Holocaust deniers in Australia have come from Caucasians, and Caucasian historians who want visas to give lecture tours here about how it all didn't happen. If Muslims are going around complaining about the non-existent Holocaust of Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, and the disabled etc by the **** regime, then they haven't had a noticeable run in the public media here.

The state of Israel was a cluster-f*ck from the start, perpetuated on the Middle East by a guilt-stricken West (Because the majority of people in Western nations used to be prejudiced against Jews). There are too many wrongs that have happened in the Middle East for anyone to truly be allowed to keep score. Revenge upon revenge, bitterness upon bitterness, only keeps the misery perpetuating. The only people living truly free inside there are the people who have let go, and held out their hands to each other.


In short, Caucasian Westerners through the luck of history liberalised and modernised culturally first. Other cultures are modernising in turn, and have valuable gifts to keep and not throw out as they do so. Our modernisation happened unevenly over time, and very recently. We have no room to through stones against an entire other culture, just because some of it, and some of its people, are downright bad/awful/evil.

If you just take Arabia, the world would be grossly poorer without its Islamic architecture, its cooking, clothing, dancing, poetry, music, tapestry, ship, tiling and market design.


Country and Western clothing with it's curlicues of brocade appliqué and spangles, and southern US architecture, with among other things it's decorative metalwork and grills, descends directly from Spanish Colonial design of the 17th and 18th centuries, which descends from the designs of the Moorish colonisers of Spain from the 700s to the 1400s, which descends from the designs brought in from the Arab Islamic conquest of Northern Africa from 670 AD.
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Varusword75 wrote:
I can go on but I think you get the point.


Please go on. Oh and please elaborate on all the questions you listed. There might be some truth to what you are saying. Take the bull by the horns and present us with your information so that we can come to a conclusion. Please save the "you <insert "naughty" word(s)> lib", I actually want to hear what you have to say concerning these questions.

Varusword75 wrote:
Would you like to talk about what is specified in Islam?

Would you like to talk about why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca?

Would you like to explain why muslims are responsible for by far the majority of terrorist attacks in the world?

Would you like to explain why the Koran tells ALL it's followers to convert or kill the non-believers?

Would you like to explain why not one Muslim state has affirmed Israels right to exist?
#31 Aug 31 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
I hate this state sometimes.

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MURFREESBORO, Tenn. – A suspicious fire that damaged construction equipment at the site of a future mosque in Tennessee has some local Muslims worried that their project has been dragged into the national debate surrounding Manhattan's ground zero.

Authorities told leaders of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro that four pieces of heavy construction equipment on the site were doused with an accelerant and one set ablaze early Saturday morning. The site is now being patrolled at all hours by the sheriff's department.

Federal investigators have not ruled it arson, saying only that the fire was being probed and asked the public to call in tips. Eric Kehn, spokesman for the Nashville office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said arson is suspected.
#32 Aug 31 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Would you like to talk about why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca?


Because it's the holiest of religious places for Muslims and it's crowded enough as it is.

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Would you like to explain why muslims are responsible for by far the majority of terrorist attacks in the world?


Would you like to explain why muslims are by far the majority of victims of terrorist attacks in the world?

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Would you like to explain why the Koran tells ALL it's followers to convert or kill the non-believers?


Hard to explain, since it doesn't.

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Would you like to explain why not one Muslim state has affirmed Israels right to exist?


Again hard to explain, since Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, and Turkey, off the top of my head, all "affirm Israel's right to exist".

Now, would you like to discuss why all your Muslim-related "facts" are so incorrect?
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#33 Aug 31 2010 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sick of women and girls in head-scarves being yelled at and spat on. I'm sick of the scapegoating of an entire religion of people.


My father, who I have always viewed as being reasonable and tolerant, recently mentioned something to me the other day. He believes that it should be illegal for women to wear a burka here in the US. After a few seconds of silence I asked why he feels that way and what he said made me quite upset. His reasoning behind it is, and I quote, "because the women can hide bombs under there and no one would know". It is extremely disgusting how quickly irrational fear and blatant religious bigotry spreads among the ignorant.

I have heard stories of women getting verbally abused at some of the stores around here and it makes me wish that I was around when it happened. Although on the other hand, I really don't want to go to jail for beating the ever loving hell out of some racist prick because he can't pull his head out of his **** for one moment and keep his thoughts to himself.

I personally hate what I think is the "real" reason that Muslim women wear burkas, especailly in fundamentalist or Sharia nations. I think that even when it's totally the woman's free choice, in reality it will always marginalise her socially and in the workplace, because other people will not connect so closely to someone who is physically present, but largely faceless. But the presumption that a burka is a bomb risk any more than an anorak or over-coat, or a crime risk any more than a balaclava or motorcycle helmet, is idiotic and prejudiced.

And people should not be forced out of their burkas by the state. When burka wearing women need face identification, then they can yeild their faces for those necessary situations.
#34 Aug 31 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Would you like to talk about why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca?


Because it's the holiest of religious places for Muslims and it's crowded enough as it is.


Aren't you forbidden to enter a Mormon temple unless you're a member, too?
#35 Aug 31 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
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Would you like to talk about why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca?


Because it's the holiest of religious places for Muslims and it's crowded enough as it is.


Aren't you forbidden to enter a Mormon temple unless you're a member, too?


Yep. Damn those Mormon terrorists.
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#36 Aug 31 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
And as said, I get your point and intuited most of this from the OP. But there are huge differences between the two groups; the most giant one, in my mind, being that while there are 13-14 million Jews in the world (.02% of the population), there are likely over 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world (20% of the world population). In addition, while we have one predominantly Jewish country in the world (Israel), we have 47 countries where Islam is the predominant religion.

While Muslims may be a minority in European and North American countries, they are very sizable minorities, if not the majority in many countries in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. Judaism never had that kind of size or numbers.

All figures are from wikipedia.


The numbers of population don't matter. One culture, our culture, is letting it's popular media and majority politics demonise an entire other culture because of the actions of a minority of individuals in the other culture.

It doesn't matter if majority Muslim nations overseas demonise the modern Western culture. Two wrongs don't make a right.

We're scapegoating and allowing prejudice to creep in without even noticing it.
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#38 Aug 31 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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I can see what you're saying, but like locke said, the sheer size of the group really completely transforms the issue into something completely different.

Yeah, there's ONE difference I agree on, between the two sets of scape-goating, because of the sheer number of Muslims. If we keep mishandling it, and not raising our lowest common denominators at home instead of catering to our lowest common denominators, we could end up with a new global Cold War on our hands.
#39 Aug 31 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Default
Aripya,

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It doesn't matter if majority Muslim nations overseas demonise the modern Western culture. Two wrongs don't make a right.


It does matter when they hijack planes and murder thousands of civilians.

#40 Aug 31 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
Tulip,

Forget Al Qaida Islam is the problem. Nothing you can say is going to change what they are doing to every country they control. You're mistaken in trying to seperate good muslims from bad ones. Their Koran specifically tells them to do certain things. This is what you are willingly ignoring.

#41 Aug 31 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:


Again hard to explain, since Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, and Turkey, off the top of my head, all "affirm Israel's right to exist".

Now, would you like to discuss why all your Muslim-related "facts" are so incorrect?


Technically not a Muslim country, the government being completely secular, but correct in that 99% of the population is Muslim!
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The numbers of population don't matter. One culture, our culture, is letting it's popular media and majority politics demonise an entire other culture because of the actions of a minority of individuals in the other culture.


The numbers do matter for your comparison. Muslims wield supreme power in other countries; powers that Jews never had. That was my rebuttal. Again, the sentiment for both of us is the same; but your comparison sucks.*
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Yep. Damn those Mormon terrorists.

Note: Glenn Beck is a Mormon. So is Mitt Romney, who passed universal healthcare for Massachusetts as governor. Tin foil hat that!

*Edit: It seems you agreed a few posts down that the numbers do matter, so I guess this part of my post is moot.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 12:24pm by LockeColeMA
#42 Aug 31 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

Forget Al Qaida Islam is the problem.


This is almost perfect logic for why a lot of ignorant Americans thought invading Iraq was a good response to the 9/11 attacks when it was completely separate. Welcome to the sheeple, Varus.
#43 Aug 31 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Technically not a Muslim country, the government being completely secular, but correct in that 99% of the population is Muslim!


I know, but since I was talking to Varrus, I thought I could afford some definitional leeway.

Edited to add: If I was being really pedantic, I would point that despite the state being secular, the party in power is openly, if moderately, Islamist. And it still recognises Israel. But since I'm not, I won't.


Edited, Aug 31st 2010 4:29pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#44 Aug 31 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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And so ingrained are you with liberal indoctrination that you're willing disbelieve your own father to perpetuate your false sense of political correctness.

It's not an irrational fear it's completely justifiabl.


To be honest, I only associate myself as a liberal due to people like you having to see things in black or white sitting at the other end of the political spectrum. Oh and bulky winter jackets should be illegal also. Heck, lets keep going with this. Anything that has room to put stuff in that would cause another passer by to not notice should be illegal. Everyone should be required to wear skin-tight clothing and have their body cavities searched every other block. The terrorist of tomorrow will not stop at just clothing to hide their explosives. -rolleyes-

Oh and you still have yet to answer those questions I mentioned. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and let you come up with enough information to back your clams. Heck I will make it easy for you in case you lost track of which questions I was talking about.

Varusword75 wrote:
Would you like to talk about what is specified in Islam?

Would you like to talk about why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca?

Would you like to explain why muslims are responsible for by far the majority of terrorist attacks in the world?

Would you like to explain why the Koran tells ALL it's followers to convert or kill the non-believers?

Would you like to explain why not one Muslim state has affirmed Israels right to exist?
#45 Aug 31 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

Forget Al Qaida Islam is the problem. Nothing you can say is going to change what they are doing to every country they control. You're mistaken in trying to seperate good muslims from bad ones. Their Koran specifically tells them to do certain things. This is what you are willingly ignoring.


Once again, this is what the terrorists want. You're doing exactly what they want you to do. You're becoming a puppet of the terrorists.

Did you know that the Bible specifically tells Christians what to do, too? Like bashing the heads of children against the rocks? Are you so brainwashed by Al-Qaeda? You might as well strap a bomb to your chest. You're no different than they are.
#46 Aug 31 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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Did you know that the Bible specifically tells Christians what to do, too? Like bashing the heads of children against the rocks? Are you so brainwashed by Al-Qaeda? You might as well strap a bomb to your chest. You're no different than they are.


That's not true... I bet he cannot grow the big 'ol beards they have. :P
#47 Aug 31 2010 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
#48 Aug 31 2010 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was going to post that. Smiley: madSmiley: mad
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#49 Aug 31 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I was going to post that. Smiley: madSmiley: mad


I know all I want to know about Canadians, too. You seal-killing, maple leaf-eating, horse-riding lumberjack.
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#50 Aug 31 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
RedPhoenixxx wrote:
I was going to post that. Smiley: madSmiley: mad


I know all I want to know about Canadians, too. You seal-killing, maple leaf-eating, beaver-riding lumberjack.
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#51 Aug 31 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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To say he is ignorant would be horribly wrong, ignorance is the lack of knowledge. That man is just plain stupid. Although I did get a good chuckle out of these two paragraphs. Awesome find there Redphoenixxx. :D

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"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."


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"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."


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