Not white? Sorry, you can't be student council presidentFollow

Bwahahahaha, what the hell?

I'll just say... no. No. I'm curious as to your information here.

Fun story (sorry if it angers the ladies), I had a good friend in college who was the president of our NOW chapter. Every time I saw her I asked her to make me a sandwich. I said it once when she was surrounded by fellow NOW members and had half a dozen girls yell at me. I burst out laughing, which made me laugh more.

I suck at being a feminist, but I know basic decency to women. And I know my own positions and those held by feminists (both hardcore and lazy), and your view is utter ********* Varus :-P

Yeah, ok, so enough with sliding the issue to the side... some Tea Party protesters, presumably conservative if they're part of that protest, made signs calling on their members to tea bag the other side, before any of the big bad media called them teabaggers. Which you denied. Multiple times.

That's cool. Burn, strawman, burn!

What is this link and the quotes supposed to prove? I read the wikipedia article, and honestly the woman seems like a champion for women's right. I'm assuming that's not the kind of view you wanted to impart. Her work led to sexual discrimination legislation. I don't think that her work leading to legislation against pornography is a good example of freedom of speech, but I think she had a valid point that oftentimes the pornography used actual violence instead of simulated violence.

Not sure if this is to relate to your penetration comment before, as your own citation says it had to do with:
"And as you think about the assumption of consent that follows women into pornography, look closely some time for the skinned knees, the bruises, the welts from the whippings, the scratches, the gashes. Many of them are not simulated. One relatively soft core pornography model said, "I knew the pose was right when it hurt.""

Then you linked to MacKinnon, because...?

Haha, and you mean this quote?



Not to mention that the statements you're talking about only were applied to MacKinnon after she started working with Dworkin.

It's not hard at all. If you suggest tea-bagging someone, and then send them tea-bags, then you'd be a... what the word?

Oh, right!

She may not have said those exact words, but her meaning was pretty clear. Dworkin also said similar things and was similarly criticized. Of course, both women really argued that sexual imagery between men and women invariably portrayed men in the dominant position, perpetuating a sense that women were inferiors sexually and socially. It's more correct to say that they were arguing that "all sex with men is rape". But only if you take "rape" in a broad sense to mean "to disempower".

Of course, both women have also argued that sex which empowers the man and disempowers the woman is rape, so it's hard to read their body of work and *not* get this conclusion from them. That they never actually come out and say it in so many words isn't the point. The message they send out is pretty clear.

Not sure what this has to do with the topic, but I've always felt that an overly literal true/false assessment of a statement without looking at the broader context is somewhat meaningless. Snopes is playing a fine line on this one (as they often do with any criticism of liberal ideas or people). While the quote isn't technically true, that's not to say that they didn't endorse some pretty radical and anti-male ideas about sexual roles in society.

Not like "Democrat Party" or "Democrat Socialist Party" or whatever, amirite??

I think you're confusing liberals with Zakalwe - easy mistake to make, don't worry about it.

To bring up an old, tired, and entirely irrelevant meme, it depends on whether or not the balls are inert.

So, you're cool with the Democrats officially calling the Republican Party "The Republican Facist Party"? As long as the opposition party is rebranding parties and all...

If a small faction of the DNC proposed a resolution seeking to name the Republican Party, the "Republican Fascist Party", I'm quite certain that I wouldn't know about it, or care about it. Assuming that it doesn't actually pass, and no one outside of that same small group actually uses the phrase, and no one in the media actually takes any of it seriously, of course. Which is a more reasonable comparison, I think.


Contrast that to the media practically falling over themselves to use the word "teabaggers" over and over and over. There is no comparison. I've seriously *never* heard anyone use the phrase "Democrat Socialist Party". I'm quite sure that had liberal bloggers not decided to make a deal out of it, no one would have heard of it outside of some small group of people.

There are many posters on this forum who continue to use the word "teabagger" to talk about members of the Tea Party. There are political pundits and bloggers who use this term repeatedly as well. There are some members of the media who still do it (folks at MSNBC mostly). There is no comparison. Not to me. Not to conservatives as a whole. To even suggest so is to stretch the bounds of credulity.

Essentially it's a little poutfest where they stomp their feet and say "They're not really DEMOCRATIC!"