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#1 Aug 25 2010 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
Obligatory article link.

I figure it's a better idea for me to post this, and we can hash out that the teacher in question is a fucking idiot before the thread gets failed up with Varus, than for Varus to start the thread and claim that we need to deport all the radical Australians.

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#2 Aug 25 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
I don't see anything unreasonable about that.
#3 Aug 25 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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I don't see anything unreasonable about that.


Nor do I. I'd have loved to have heard further explanation from the teacher detailing why she went that route, but offhand I can think of a number of possible reasons myself. Sounds like an interesting assignment that would make students tackle the subject matter from an unorthodox position. That's a good mental exercise. It's clearly not an attempt to promote terrorism.

Edited, Aug 26th 2010 1:29am by Eske
#4 Aug 25 2010 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
Teacher's still an idiot, of course.
#5 Aug 25 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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That project requires many skills useful in business.

Like assessing a target market, developing a successful distribution method, developing a compelling marketing campaign, setting goals, working effectively in small groups, results based thinking, assessing group response dynamics, population flows, researching the most effective solutions to problems, keeping proprietary information from being leaked, planning ahead, working efficiently with available resources, time management, etc, etc.
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#6 Aug 25 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
I'm tempted to start buying futures in terrorist attacks now for some obscure reason.
#7 Aug 25 2010 at 11:45 PM Rating: Good
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I'm tempted to start buying futures in terrorist attacks now for some obscure reason.


I'll get you in touch with a guy at DARPA who is running that market. The original, taxpayer funded version (The Policy Analysis Market) is defunct due to poor publicity, but the core concept is operational. Intrade is a limping, publicly available, version of it.
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#8 Aug 26 2010 at 12:03 AM Rating: Good
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P'raps the teacher was hired by the Aussie government to run this project, which, at it's conclusion, would give their security forces new insight/angles on security allowing them to plug holes in their defences of sensitive areas.




Yeah, that the ticket!
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#9 Aug 26 2010 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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Silly dubble.

Edited, Aug 26th 2010 7:24am by paulsol
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#10 Aug 26 2010 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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"Your goal is to kill the MOST innocent civilians in order to get your message across,"


She should have asked them to do an assignment on smoking. Or alcohol. Or 21st century western dietary habits.

Silly Australian.
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#11 Aug 26 2010 at 2:30 AM Rating: Good
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It should have been a two part assignment, where students had to design an anti-terrorist system within a set budget, and then run each students terrorist scenario through it, and see how many forms of attack their anti-terrorist system was likely to pick up.
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Student Sarah Gilbert, 15, told the newspaper she was horrified by the assignment.

"I was shocked and quite offended," she said. "I'm offended that it's Australia but I'm disgusted because it doesn't matter where it is, it's still not something you ask someone to do or think about. ... There is a difference between being a terrorist and learning about terrorism."

Heh. Irony.

Although it says her mother was killed in a bombing so I can give her feelings on it a pass but her phrasing still amuses.
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#13 Aug 26 2010 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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How exactly is that a challenging assignment? All they have to do is set a few fires, just look what happened last time.
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#14 Aug 26 2010 at 6:42 AM Rating: Good
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I blame video games.
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Student Sarah Gilbert, 15, told the newspaper she was horrified by the assignment.

"I was shocked and quite offended," she said. "I'm offended that it's Australia but I'm disgusted because it doesn't matter where it is, it's still not something you ask someone to do or think about. ... There is a difference between being a terrorist and learning about terrorism."

Heh. Irony.

Although it says her mother was killed in a bombing so I can give her feelings on it a pass but her phrasing still amuses.


I liked the "it's not something you ask someone to do or think about," when after all that was the point. But yeah, allowance for personal trauma.

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#16 Aug 26 2010 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, I don't see the problem. But then, I think Sex-Ed is a good idea, too.
#17 Aug 26 2010 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
Also, has there been a terrorist attack on Australian soil? I know Bali was filled with Aussies, but I'm pretty sure Australia itself has never been attacked...

Anyway, I'm sure lots of things could be taught about terrorism, and one of the best ways to do it is surely to learn how terrorists think. Just one example, but when AQ uses bombs/suicide-bombers, they often set out one bomb in a crowded area, and then another shortly after near the main exit of that area. The second delayed blast is often much more deadly than the first, because of the rush of people and higher density of individuals. I'm pretty sure that the lesson here is that if you're ever unfortunate enough to be near a terror attack, don't run straight for exit if you can avoid it. Stay where you are and wait for the second explosion to go off.

The chances of ever being caught in a terorist attack are ridiculously tiny, so I'm not sure how useful this stuff really is. But it's not amazingly different from the aircraft emergency procedure stuff you get when flying.
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#18 Aug 26 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I blame video games.

Incidentally, I saw a car on the way into work this morning with a bumper sticker that read, "It's pitch black; you are likely to be eaten by a grue."

I immediately thought of the =4.
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#19 Aug 26 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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Also, has there been a terrorist attack on Australian soil? I know Bali was filled with Aussies, but I'm pretty sure Australia itself has never been attacked...

Anyway, I'm sure lots of things could be taught about terrorism, and one of the best ways to do it is surely to learn how terrorists think. Just one example, but when AQ uses bombs/suicide-bombers, they often set out one bomb in a crowded area, and then another shortly after near the main exit of that area. The second delayed blast is often much more deadly than the first, because of the rush of people and higher density of individuals. I'm pretty sure that the lesson here is that if you're ever unfortunate enough to be near a terror attack, don't run straight for exit if you can avoid it. Stay where you are and wait for the second explosion to go off.

The chances of ever being caught in a terorist attack are ridiculously tiny, so I'm not sure how useful this stuff really is. But it's not amazingly different from the aircraft emergency procedure stuff you get when flying.


I think that one of the underlying assumptions there is that it's impossible to waste someone's time when they're stuck on an aeroplane.
#20 Aug 26 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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I0 think that one of the underlying assumptions there is that it's impossible to waste someone's time when they're stuck on an aeroplane.


I don't know, I think those 5 minutes spent explaining the futile efforts to be made before we crash into ground from 10,000 feet at breakneck speed, could've been better spent. Like, I don't know, having a **** in the airplane toilet or something.
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#21 Aug 26 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
I0 think that one of the underlying assumptions there is that it's impossible to waste someone's time when they're stuck on an aeroplane.


I don't know, I think those 5 minutes spent explaining the futile efforts to be made before we crash into ground from 10,000 meters at breakneck speed, could've been better spent. Like, I don't know, having a **** in the airplane toilet or something.

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#22 Aug 26 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
I0 think that one of the underlying assumptions there is that it's impossible to waste someone's time when they're stuck on an aeroplane.


I don't know, I think those 5 minutes spent explaining the futile efforts to be made before we crash into ground from 10,000 feet at breakneck speed, could've been better spent. Like, I don't know, having a **** in the airplane toilet or something.


Crashing from any altitude need not be fatal. The trick is endurance training - you've got to start with small plane crashes and work your way up to the biggies. Within a few years, pulling yourself from the twisted wreckage of a boeing will be like taking a stroll to the chemist's.
#23 Aug 26 2010 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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I would think being near the front of the plane would be the safest spot. Not at the front, but near it. The pilots are dead, but past the cockpit, you've got a chance. In the middle, you're dead when the plane splits in 2 and in the back, well, you're just screwed from the bouncing and end over end the rear of the plane will do. The front might just tunnel into the ground and then you crawl out where the rows behind you no longer exist. So, while the exit instructions are useless, as there will be new exits, the tuck your head to your *** bit might be useful.

Just my opinion.
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#24 Aug 26 2010 at 8:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Crashing from any altitude need not be fatal. The trick is endurance training - you've got to start with small plane crashes and work your way up to the biggies. Within a few years, pulling yourself from the twisted wreckage of a boeing will be like taking a stroll to the chemist's.


It hurts, but lately it seems that all the plane crashes in the news have been Airbus planes.

Funny story, when I went to Israel last year, a few weeks after the Brazil-France airbus that crashed into the sea, we got held at Heathrow at the departure gate. The flight attendant guy wouldn't let anyone through to the gate, and the passengers started getting a bit annoyed at him. They were complaining and whining, asking what was wrong, generally making quite a big fuss... Finally the guy, clearly worked up, said "There's a technical problem with the plane. And since it's an Airbus 330, you know, the one that crashed into the sea a few weeks ago, I would let the safety engineers do their work if I were you."

I've rarely been on such a quiet flight.
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#25 Aug 26 2010 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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I would think being near the front of the plane would be the safest spot. Not at the front, but near it. The pilots are dead, but past the cockpit, you've got a chance. In the middle, you're dead when the plane splits in 2 and in the back, well, you're just screwed from the bouncing and end over end the rear of the plane will do. The front might just tunnel into the ground and then you crawl out where the rows behind you no longer exist. So, while the exit instructions are useless, as there will be new exits, the tuck your head to your *** bit might be useful.

Just my opinion.


Nah, the best place to be is on the nose, so you can block the ground.

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It hurts, but lately it seems that all the plane crashes in the news have been Airbus planes.


That may be, but how many Airbuses have been flown into the Twin Towers?

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Funny story, when I went to Israel last year, a few weeks after the Brazil-France airbus that crashed into the sea, we got held at Heathrow at the departure gate. The flight attendant guy wouldn't let anyone through to the gate, and the passengers started getting a bit annoyed at him. They were complaining and whining, asking what was wrong, generally making quite a big fuss... Finally the guy, clearly worked up, said "There's a technical problem with the plane. And since it's an Airbus 330, you know, the one that crashed into the sea a few weeks ago, I would let the safety engineers do their work if I were you."

I've rarely been on such a quiet flight.


The best, and indeed only, aeroplane story I have comes from an experience at Heathrow a few years back. There was this old lady sitting in the lobby, cheerily telling everyone that'd listen that a fortune teller had told her she'd die in a plane crash, and that oh by the way she was going to a suicide clinic.

Pity Guenny wasn't on her flight, really.
#26 Aug 26 2010 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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The best, and indeed only, aeroplane story I have comes from an experience at Heathrow a few years back. There was this old lady sitting in the lobby, cheerily telling everyone that'd listen that a fortune teller had told her she'd die in a plane crash, and that oh by the way she was going to a suicide clinic.


Did you offer to murder her there and then?
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