Homosexuals in the MarinesFollow

He's only a phoenix, man, not a phoenixxx. That's two exes more - the difference between cautious optimism and giving up on love entirely.

...and the Canadians of course. The quality of their military could be questioned, but not the quality of their hockey teams.

Quoted for the delicious, delicious, delicious irony of the statement coming out of Virus's maw. (Or "delicious, delicious, delicious hypocrisy," depending on your view of just how stupid he really is.)

They hook up whether they take showers together or not. The reason we don't have shared shower facilities is pretty universally because women are uncomfortable being naked in front of someone who may view them as a sexual object. And we accommodate that concern by providing separate facilities.

Straight men have the same level of discomfort sharing facilities with gay men. For pretty much the same reason. Why make allowances for that in one case, but not the other?



That's irrelevant. So we only let pretty women have separate shower facilities? No, we don't.



Still irrelevant. Most straight men would choose to have sex with a pretty woman instead of a fat ugly one. But fat ugly women feel just as uncomfortable if they're being viewed naked by men. It's not about what the man (gay or straight) might do, but how the other person feels.

As long as we allow for this with regard to women and men, we have to allow for the same thing with regard to men and homosexuals. Allowing openly gay soldiers opens up a can of worms. Obviously, DADT is not a perfect solution, but it's better than the alternative. And given that soldiers aren't supposed to be fraternizing anyway, it shouldn't be an issue to keep your sexuality to yourself. It's really not a burden unless you go out of your way to make it so in order to make a political point.


Which, IMO is silly and circular.

Notes are wrong. The babies are boys and boy-chicks.

So you're saying, no, you don't have any facts and are making up figures. That's cool, I just wanted to point it out.

Oh, and side-stepping the issue. You went from "99% are alpha males" to "the majority don't like gays." So what? They might vote Republican too, but the Democratic president is still their CiC.

Just chiming in again to LOL @ the "99% Alpha Male" comment.

While it may come across that way, it is usually not the case. Someone can be trained to lead, they can be taught to give orders. Doing so does not make them Alpha at all, but it can seem so to the untrained eye.

A civilian will look at a group of soldiers and see a bunch of alpha males, another soldier will look at the same exact group, and be able to pick the alpha males in the group apart from the others. Yes there is an enforced pecking order in the military, but amongst same ranking soldiers, there will be a definitive leader due to their personality. Just like there always is in society amongst social circles.

As for alpha males not liking to serve, this is also untrue. Now sure if you get one who is a complete idiot and cannot operate within the constraints of society's and the military's rules, they will have problems. But anyone with half a brain can figure out when to keep their mouth shut and when not to.

Of course you can still have issues of you aren't careful. Every single NCOER and 1059 (Military School Graduation Form) I received in 10 years had some variation of "Not afraid to speak his mind when he feels something is wrong" as one of my bullets. This invariably led to a lot of *** chewings for myself since I basically said whatever I wanted when I thought someone was an idiot.

Once I got a bit of rank under my belt, and learned how to actually phrase my ******** instead of just blurting it out, I figured out how to still say what I wanted without getting the subsequent punishments. Wisdom with age and all that I suppose. Us old ******* certainly are much more devious than our younger counterparts.


TLDR: There are a lot less alpha males in the military than you might think and no, they don't have a problem serving in the military.

Pregnancy, I guess

There are already rules against fraternization though. If we were to dismiss all social taboos and whatnot, there should be no reason why men and women couldn't share facilities. But we don't. My question is why one taboo is attacked, while the other is ignored?

IMO, anyone who insists that gays should be able to openly serve in the military should *also* demand that all women in the military be required to shower with the men. There is no reason other than sexism for viewing one as any different than the other. A heterosexual man is placed in the exact same uncomfortable situation as a woman would be.