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#1 Aug 24 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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The top U.S. Marine general in Afghanistan said President Barack Obama’s announced July 2011 deadline to start withdrawing troops from the country had given “sustenance” to the Taliban.

“We know the president was talking to several audiences at the same time when he made his comments on July 2011,” Gen. James Conway told reporters on Tuesday. “In some ways, we think right now it’s probably giving our enemy sustenance….In fact, we’ve intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.’"



You mean to tell me that our enemies actually listen to what our leaders say and make plans based on that? Who knew.


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/08/24/conway-us-withdrawal-deadline-boosts-taliban-in-afghan-war/

#2 Aug 24 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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#4REDACTED, Posted: Aug 24 2010 at 1:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
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#6 Aug 24 2010 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,


So you're saying the general didn't say that? Is that it?



I don't know, but I'm not willing to take a blog as a credible cite.
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varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

For arguments sake say the general did say that, would that change any of your opinions on the publicly outspoken withdrawal date?



Just for arguments sake, my opinion is still the same. The military is incredibly ill suited at bringing peace to a country. Any country.
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#9 Aug 24 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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In some ways, we think right now it’s probably giving our enemy sustenance
Well he certainly sounds sure of himself huh?
#10 Aug 24 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
For arguments sake say the general did say that, would that change any of your opinions on the publicly outspoken withdrawal date?

I assume he did say that, it doesn't especially change my opinion since I know those things become flexible as the need arises.
NYT wrote:
But the general, who is retiring this fall, said he thought the deadline might not ultimately comfort the insurgents, who could find that only a small number of United States forces leave Afghanistan next July, a scenario that is increasingly set forth by Pentagon officials and senior military commanders. General Conway predicted that Taliban foot soldiers, who he said have been told repeatedly by their commanders that the Americans would leave en masse, would be demoralized when they realize that the United States is staying.

“What’s he going to say to his foot troops,” General Conway observed about Taliban commanders, when, “come the fall, we’re still there hammering them like we have been? I think it could be very good for us in that context, in terms of the enemy’s psyche and what he has been, you know, posturing now for, really, the better part of a year.”
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#11 Aug 24 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Damn good thing. I was going to call him a traitor and demand a court-martial for having the temerity to criticize his Commander-in-Chief.


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#12 Aug 24 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
Tulip,

For arguments sake say the general did say that, would that change any of your opinions on the publicly outspoken withdrawal date?


Not one whit.
#13 Aug 24 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
For arguments sake say the general did say that, would that change any of your opinions on the publicly outspoken withdrawal date?


It's a withdrawal date that's 9 years too late.
#14 Aug 24 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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The WSJ has killed the "stub" in the original link and replaced it with a larger article which includes
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The general’s blunt appraisal – that Afghan security forces are not likely to be ready to take the lead in a year’s time – is not a surprise. But timing of the troop drawdown is a contentious political issue. When Obama announced a surge of 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan in December, he said the transfer of forces in mid-2011 would depend on conditions on the ground, including the ability of Afghan security forces to take over responsibility for security.

Conway said, “I honestly think it will be a few years before conditions on the ground are such that turnover will be possible for us.”

No real surprises.

I mean.. OMGOMGOMG!!! This guy said Obama loves the terrorists and wants to help them and gives them Muslim-Islamofascist Terorist bombs and is a terrorist-lover who loves Muslim-Islamsoterrorists!!!!
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#15 Aug 24 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Default
Jophed,

We all know Obama has a preference towards radical muslims; no need stating the obvious.


So now that we've all, and by 'we' I mean liberals, determined that timelines for wars are a good thing what's the timeline for closing down Gitmo and getting out of afghanistan?

#16 Aug 24 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
I'd say the hullabaloo over the Ground Zero Mosque has done far more to incite the wrath of the Taliban and give them encouragement that the US is at war with Islam than the US leaving Iraq did.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 6:21pm by catwho
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varusword75 wrote:
So now that we've all, and by 'we' I mean liberals, determined that timelines for wars are a good thing what's the timeline for closing down Gitmo and getting out of afghanistan?

Gitmo is ASAP except for the Congressional problem so who knows. Afghanistan, as you'd know if had you read your article, begins with a tentative July 2011.
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#18 Aug 24 2010 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say the hullabaloo over the Ground Zero Mosque has done far more to incite the wrath of the Taliban and give them encouragement that the US is at war with Islam than the US leaving Iraq did.


The Talibans don't give a **** about the Ground Zero Mosque.
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#19 Aug 24 2010 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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catwho wrote:
I'd say the hullabaloo over the Ground Zero Mosque has done far more to incite the wrath of the Taliban and give them encouragement that the US is at war with Islam than the US leaving Iraq did.


The Talibans don't give a sh*t about the Ground Zero Mosque.
They do inasmuch as they can use the whole shouting match over it for recruiting purposes.

That said, the Taliban uses pretty much everything that goes wrong anywhere for recruiting purposes and blames it on the US.
#20 Aug 24 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
catwho wrote:
I'd say the hullabaloo over the Ground Zero Mosque has done far more to incite the wrath of the Taliban and give them encouragement that the US is at war with Islam than the US leaving Iraq did.


The Talibans don't give a sh*t about the Ground Zero Mosque.
They do inasmuch as they can use the whole shouting match over it for recruiting purposes.

That said, the Taliban uses pretty much everything that goes wrong anywhere for recruiting purposes and blames it on the US.


Yeah, the guys they're recruiting don't give a ****, either.
#21 Aug 24 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
MDenham wrote:
They do inasmuch as they can use the whole shouting match over it for recruiting purposes.

That said, the Taliban uses pretty much everything that goes wrong anywhere for recruiting purposes and blames it on the US.


I think both you and Cat confuse the Talibans with AQ. The Talibans have other, much more potent means of recruiting fighters. Second, they're probably a bit too busy actually fighting the West, in their own country, after having been deposed from power, to feel any kind of outrage at some planning controversy in NY.

AQ and extremist immams in some parts of the world might well mention it, but I don't think the Ground Zero Mosque thing would sway anyone towards fanaticism if they weren't already there.
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#22 Aug 24 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
catwho wrote:
I'd say the hullabaloo over the Ground Zero Mosque has done far more to incite the wrath of the Taliban and give them encouragement that the US is at war with Islam than the US leaving Iraq did.


The Talibans don't give a sh*t about the Ground Zero Mosque.
They do inasmuch as they can use the whole shouting match over it for recruiting purposes.

That said, the Taliban uses pretty much everything that goes wrong anywhere for recruiting purposes and blames it on the US.


I think the Taliban have as much recruitment material as they'll ever need as long as bombs marked 'Made in the USA' are being dropped out of the sky onto Afghani villages.

Honestly. The average Afghani villager doesn't even know why the US (and others) are in Afghanistan.

The average Afghani has no concept of where the USA is, or how far away it is. Let alone New York. Or Ground Zero.

Come to that, most Americans havn't got a clue as to why their in Afghanistan either. Or probably where Afghanistan is tbh.

I think you overestimate the Taleban somewhat.

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#23 Aug 24 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
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The top U.S. Marine general in Afghanistan said President Barack Obama’s announced July 2011 deadline to start withdrawing troops from the country had given “sustenance” to the Taliban.

“We know the president was talking to several audiences at the same time when he made his comments on July 2011,” Gen. James Conway told reporters on Tuesday. “In some ways, we think right now it’s probably giving our enemy sustenance….In fact, we’ve intercepted communications that say, ‘Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long.’"


You mean to tell me that our enemies actually listen to what our leaders say and make plans based on that? Who knew.

Yeah, like when we decided to occupy Iraq and terrorists and insurgents came streaming out of the blue saying "Hey, look, target practice!"
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#24 Aug 25 2010 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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most Americans havn't got a clue as to why their in Afghanistan either.

I expect better of you.
#25REDACTED, Posted: Aug 25 2010 at 8:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,
#26 Aug 25 2010 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
varusword75 wrote:
And I think AQ and every other radical muslim group will use it as a visible rallying point for the pro-sharia law bunch.


Please, walk me though that one...

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Have you bothered to research the Imam you so readily defend?


Yeah, he's funded by the dude who owns 10% of Fox News, right? Small world...
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