Forum Settings
       
« Previous 1 2 3 4 5
Reply To Thread

-9 months to liveFollow

QuoteReply
#1 Aug 20 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
gbaji
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
I'm curious how many of you still hold the same opinion about the released Lockerbie bomber as you did a year ago?

Relevant quote:

Quote:
I'm split on this one. I don't truly believe he had a lot, if anything, to do with it. That aside he was convicted in a court and sentenced to life. He better croak damn soon or the Scottish Government are going to look like a right bunch of plebs.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#2 Aug 20 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
__DEL__1673223620128
View User Forum
Sage
***
1,000 posts
Another thing to thank BP for.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#3 Aug 20 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Default
__DEL__1630282721753
View User Forum
Sage
*****
14,174 posts
Leave BP ALONE!!!

*sob*
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#4 Aug 20 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel
View User Forum
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Jophiel wrote:
.

I stand by it.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 5:24pm by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#5 Aug 20 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
Kaolian
View User Forum
Leet Haxör
Avatar
******
29,919 posts
That whole thing remains a sick joke. I like my answer back then just fine.
____________________________
Arch Duke Kaolian Drachensborn, lvl 95 Ranger, Unrest Server
Tech support forum | FAQ (Support) | Mobile Zam: http://m.zam.com (Premium only)
Forum Rules
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#6 Aug 20 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
trickybeck
Tracer Bullet
*****
12,636 posts

I didn't post, but I thought they should have kept him in prison. Why have a "life" sentence otherwise? Or at least, they could have waited until he was at like 1-week to live before releasing him. That's an easier timeline to predict.

▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#7 Aug 20 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
Debalic
Prodigal Son
******
20,643 posts
Ahh. No wonder he wasn't so eager to spend his last dying breaths on a suicide-bombing run.
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#8 Aug 21 2010 at 1:34 AM Rating: Default
__DEL__1618791898695
Scholar
***
2,211 posts
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Leave BP ALONE!!!

*sob*
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#9 Aug 21 2010 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
__DEL__1680481127345
View User Forum
Sage
******
21,262 posts
I have too much of a hangover to form an opinion or provide a witty comment.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#10 Aug 22 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
bsphil
Edited by bsphil
******
21,739 posts
manicshock wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Leave BP ALONE!!!

*sob*
Yes, that's the joke.
____________________________
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
Take the hint guys, please take the hint.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#11 Aug 22 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel
View User Forum
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
I hope Gbaji didn't have high expectations for this "Gotcha".
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#12 Aug 23 2010 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
Elinda
View User Forum
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,781 posts
My opinion hasn't changed.
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#13 Aug 23 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
Samira
View User Forum
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
My opinion hasn't changed.
____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#14 Aug 23 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
gbaji
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Jophiel wrote:
I hope Gbaji didn't have high expectations for this "Gotcha".


Not at all. Just found it amusing that the guy released cause he's got 3 months to live and it's the right thing to do, end out living just fine and may continue for years to come. Who could have seen that coming?


I guess to me it's more of a cautionary tale about how compassion is great, but should be tempered with an understanding that things aren't always as clear cut as they seem.

EDIT: Oh... I'm saving the "gotcha" for if/when the state charges against Tom Delay end out getting dismissed or result in acquittal as the federal charges have. May have to wait a bit longer for that though...

Edited, Aug 23rd 2010 1:35pm by gbaji
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#15 Aug 23 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
__DEL__1649636418093
View User Forum
Sage
******
30,646 posts
gbaji wrote:
Just found it amusing that the guy released cause he's got 3 months to live and it's the right thing to do, end out living just fine and may continue for years to come. Who could have seen that coming?


From what I understood (and I may be way off base) the doctor who proclaimed he had three months left wasn't counting on him getting any more chemo treatments, or something.

▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#16 Aug 23 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
gbaji
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Just found it amusing that the guy released cause he's got 3 months to live and it's the right thing to do, end out living just fine and may continue for years to come. Who could have seen that coming?


From what I understood (and I may be way off base) the doctor who proclaimed he had three months left wasn't counting on him getting any more chemo treatments, or something.


But the support for his release among the general public was based on the assumption that he had 3 months to live, period. How that impression ended out being so wildly held is debatable (I blame liberal media of course!), but still somewhat irrelevant. Most people *did* think that he was going to die in short order either way, so why not be compassionate and let him go?

So maybe it's a lesson about how easily the masses can be manipulated? Dunno. Take from it what you wish...
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#17 Aug 23 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
Samira
View User Forum
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Not quite true. From the original article:

Quote:
"He may die sooner, he may live longer. I can only base my decision on the medical evidence before me," the justice secretary said at a news conference.


So he based the decision on the best medical evidence before him at the time, and he said so. Medicine is woefully inexact, even now.

I haven't been paying attention to the case, and I don't know what kind of cancer he has/had. Presumably the justice secretary had that information.

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#18 Aug 23 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
__DEL__1657498616216
View User Forum
Scholar
*****
10,012 posts
gbaji wrote:
So maybe it's a lesson about how easily the masses can be manipulated? Dunno. Take from it what you wish...


I don't understand why you even care. It was 22 years ago and it was the Scottish Goverments call.

▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#19 Aug 23 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
gbaji
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Samira wrote:
Not quite true. From the original article:

Quote:
"He may die sooner, he may live longer. I can only base my decision on the medical evidence before me," the justice secretary said at a news conference.


So he based the decision on the best medical evidence before him at the time, and he said so. Medicine is woefully inexact, even now.


Doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the public assumed he was going to die in around 3 months no matter what. How they got that misconception is a matter of speculation, but they clearly did.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#20 Aug 23 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
__DEL__1649636418093
View User Forum
Sage
******
30,646 posts
gbaji wrote:
Samira wrote:
Not quite true. From the original article:

Quote:
"He may die sooner, he may live longer. I can only base my decision on the medical evidence before me," the justice secretary said at a news conference.


So he based the decision on the best medical evidence before him at the time, and he said so. Medicine is woefully inexact, even now.


Doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the public assumed he was going to die in around 3 months no matter what. How they got that misconception is a matter of speculation, but they clearly did.


They assumed that because that was the number given out. Like if I go to the doctor tomorrow and he says, "You've got 3 months to live. Maybe a little longer, maybe a little shorter, but 3 months, give or take," I'd tell people, "I have 3 months to live." That's what is taken away. No speculation needed.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#21 Aug 23 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
Samira
View User Forum
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
Because a doctor, or possibly more than one doctor, said so. That's not an assumption - that's reading an expert's evaluation.

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#22 Aug 23 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel
View User Forum
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
gbaji wrote:
EDIT: Oh... I'm saving the "gotcha" for if/when the state charges against Tom Delay

Ok, but I'm expecting a link to an incriminating DeLay thread.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#23 Aug 23 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Default
gbaji
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Samira wrote:
Because a doctor, or possibly more than one doctor, said so. That's not an assumption - that's reading an expert's evaluation.


Then why did you point out that the doctor also said that he could live longer? Either what the doctor said was wrong, or the perception the public had of what the doctor said was wrong. Either way, the public got the impression that this guy was going to die in 3 months whether he was released or not.
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#24 Aug 23 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Default
gbaji
Encyclopedia
******
35,568 posts
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
EDIT: Oh... I'm saving the "gotcha" for if/when the state charges against Tom Delay

Ok, but I'm expecting a link to an incriminating DeLay thread.


Yeah. I'm somewhat dreading having to dig up a 5+ year old thread though... :(
____________________________
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
▲ Page top
QuoteReply
#25 Aug 23 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
Samira
View User Forum
Will swallow your soul
******
29,360 posts
gbaji wrote:
Samira wrote:
Because a doctor, or possibly more than one doctor, said so. That's not an assumption - that's reading an expert's evaluation.


Then why did you point out that the doctor also said that he could live longer? Either what the doctor said was wrong, or the perception the public had of what the doctor said was wrong. Either way, the public got the impression that this guy was going to die in 3 months whether he was released or not.


I don't understand the dilemma. The doctor said the guy probably had ~3 months. Based on that, the politico let the guy go home. No one tried to hide what was happening; the information was a medical prognosis, and therefore inexact.

I think your confusion is based around the fact that people dealt with ambiguity like compassionate adults instead of like petulant children, frankly. I can't imagine what else it could be.

____________________________
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

▲ Page top
#26gbaji, Posted: Aug 23 2010 at 5:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Because on the one hand you are excusing the public for supporting the release on compassionate grounds because that the doctor (an expert) told them he only had 3 months to live. And on the other hand, you are excusing the doctor because he did say that the guy might live longer. You seem to want to simultaneously argue that the public wasn't mislead about his chances of living longer *and* that the public responded reasonably given the circumstances they were presented to (which ironically includes the false perception that he only had 3 months to live).
« Previous 1 2 3 4 5
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 382 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (382)
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC