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#1 Aug 05 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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WASHINGTON – The Senate has confirmed Elena Kagan as the 112th justice and fourth woman to serve on the Supreme Court.

The vote was 63-37 for President Barack Obama's nominee to succeed retired Justice John Paul Stevens.

Five Republicans joined all but one Democrat and the Senate's two independents to support Kagan. In a rarely practiced ritual reserved for the most historic votes, senators sat at their desks and stood to cast their votes with "ayes" and "nays."

Kagan isn't expected to alter the ideological balance of the court, where Stevens was considered a leader of the liberals.

But the two parties clashed over her nomination. Republicans argued that Kagan was a political liberal who would be unable to be impartial. Democrats defended her as a highly qualified legal scholar.


#2 Aug 05 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think she's going to turn out to be more conservative than expected.

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#3 Aug 05 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I think she's going to turn out to be more conservative than expected.

NO SHE"S GOING TO RUIN THIS COUNTRY!!1

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 4:49pm by Debalic
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It's great to see more chicks on the bench.
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#5 Aug 05 2010 at 3:08 PM Rating: Default
Welp! I guess that's finally over! Only time will tell if she's going to do anything.
#6 Aug 05 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
Debalic wrote:
Samira wrote:
I think she's going to turn out to be more conservative than expected.

NO SHE"S GOING TO RUIN THIS COUNTRY!!1

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 4:49pm by Debalic
I think you're both right.
#7 Aug 05 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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Huh... Who was the Dem holdout? Suppose I could look it up, but just curious if anyone knows off hand. Not sure what, if anything, that signals, but the assumption going in was unanimous Dem support, with some GOPs voting for her as well. Bit surprised that someone broke ranks on this.

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#8 Aug 05 2010 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure what, if anything, that signals
Probably that we'd be a lot better off politically if the Democrats would just get around to splitting into five or six parties that had cohesive ideologies rather than the current mishmash of "everyone under one umbrella".
#9 Aug 05 2010 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ben Nelson, Nebraska. Don't know much about him, but Nebraska's pretty conservative overall.

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#10 Aug 05 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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Ben Nelson, Nebraska. Don't know much about him, but Nebraska's pretty conservative overall.

All that I know about him was that he was one of the Senators that received a sweetheart deal in the healthcare bill to get it passed.

So, uh... yeah.
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#11 Aug 05 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Huh.

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Nelson had said some time ago that he would vote for cloture but vote against her nomination.
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Ah... So a little political duck and cover.
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Maybe. Or maybe he just feels that when the president puts forth someone, they deserve a vote even if it's a vote against. I don't know enough about Nelson's past history with any Democratic filibusters to really take a guess. He could just be a political animal trying to cover his *** in a conservative state.
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He could just be a political animal trying to cover his *** in a conservative state.


You think?
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#16 Aug 05 2010 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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Tailmon wrote:
Welp! I guess that's finally over! Only time will tell if she's going to do anything.
I'm going to say she will, based on the fact that she was appointed explicitly to do things. In particular, to make rulings on things.
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You think?

Sure. I also think the other option is a valid possibility. I don't know Nelson well enough to really say. Or care.
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bsphil wrote:
Tailmon wrote:
Welp! I guess that's finally over! Only time will tell if she's going to do anything.
I'm going to say she will, based on the fact that she was appointed explicitly to do things. In particular, to make rulings on things.


Like... like court cases and stuff? Really!? :)

It's an interesting footnote I suppose, but it doesn't change the court much, if at all. Obviously, it's too early to tell in what ways she may rule slightly differently than Stevens, but on the cases most of us really care about, it's a wash.
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#19 Aug 05 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
It's an interesting footnote I suppose, but it doesn't change the court much, if at all.
Duh. Obama was replacing a liberal justice with a moderate liberal. So why were conservatives fighting against the nomination in the first place?

Because it's what they do. Manufacture non-issues and present them as if they're going to destroy the country, then use that as fuel to fight against the dems in the next election. The dance is getting old.
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#20 Aug 05 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Excellent
My favorite Q&A from her hearings:

Question: "Where were you and what were you doing the day of the Christmas underwear bomber?"

Answer: "Well considering I'm Jewish, I was probably at a Chinese restaurant."
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Because it's what they do. Manufacture non-issues and present them as if they're going to destroy the country, then use that as fuel to fight against the dems in the next election. The dance is getting old.
The Dems would have done the exact same thing. Let's not kids ourselves. You protest on the grounds that you want your nominee in, with full expectations that it'll never happen, but the point was, you protested it. This isn't a GOP vs Dem thing. That's politics. Everywhere.
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#22 Aug 06 2010 at 5:09 AM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Because it's what they do. Manufacture non-issues and present them as if they're going to destroy the country, then use that as fuel to fight against the dems in the next election. The dance is getting old.
The Dems would have done the exact same thing. Let's not kids ourselves. You protest on the grounds that you want your nominee in, with full expectations that it'll never happen, but the point was, you protested it. This isn't a GOP vs Dem thing. That's politics. Everywhere.
Sadly it is.
Although it's different in the USA than it is here, here parties have to cooperate so they can't ever go full out hating and cockblocking each other.
But on the other hand, when they get a chance at more power they drop their beliefs and values like they're made of red hot iron.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Because it's what they do. Manufacture non-issues and present them as if they're going to destroy the country, then use that as fuel to fight against the dems in the next election. The dance is getting old.
The Dems would have done the exact same thing. Let's not kids ourselves. You protest on the grounds that you want your nominee in, with full expectations that it'll never happen, but the point was, you protested it. This isn't a GOP vs Dem thing. That's politics. Everywhere.
Well, right now the president is a Democrat, so that's how things work for now.
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#24 Aug 06 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Sadly it is.
While the US might be overboard, and there is value in parties working together and compromising, there is value in having an opposition who's primary job is to oppose and to bring to light problems. Having all the parties just working together all the time is imo not actually very healthy. It's why we have the official opposition in Canada.
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Sadly it is.
While the US might be overboard, and there is value in parties working together and compromising, there is value in having an opposition who's primary job is to oppose and to bring to light problems. Having all the parties just working together all the time is imo not actually very healthy. It's why we have the official opposition in Canada.


This. The opposition in this case was pretty mild. There was no attempt to filibuster either. The purpose is to engage public opinion, and mostly to let the two "sides" air their opinions on various issues. You'll get the inevitable media sound bites, but that's part of the point. I'd much rather that our government engage in this sort of adversarial process than to quietly appoint people without the public having a clue who they are, what they stand for, or how they might affect the rule of law.


When I'll be truly scared of my government is when I *don't* hear fighting going on in the congress. Cause as long as they're fighting each other, we can at least hope they're not ganging up on us...
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#26 Aug 08 2010 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
As long as it's sane, rational argument and healthy debate, then it's good. But as someone pointed out, you can't have a healthy debate when one of the parties answers questions like a paranoid schizophrenic.

Dems: "We need to have some other means of rationing healthcare besides who can pay the most for it."

Repubs: "My distinguished opponent has just said they're going to put your grandmother before a death panel to determine whether she's contributing enough to society to live."

Dems: "We should really try to lessen our dependence on oil, both domestic and foreign."

Repubs: "DRILL BABY DRILL! Drill here, drill now!"

Dems: "The national deficit's staggering numbers are largely to blame on the Bush taxcuts. We'll let them expire on the wealthiest individuals, but they will remain in effect for those making below $200,000 a year (read: 95% of the country.)

Repubs: "Taxed enough already! Taxation without representation! Stop raising my taxes!"

They only have soundbites, not rebuttals or alternative solutions.
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