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#52 Aug 10 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
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If they had simply written a bill that said: "We're going to provide X amount of health care assistance to 9/11 first responders, and we'll pay for it out of Y budget, or even via the creation of a temporary tariff on <something>", the GOP would have voted for it. They decided to play politics with the issue though.


False.
If the mechanism for paying for it had been "...and we'll cut <insert program here that the Republicans don't like> to free up money for it.", the Republicans still probably would have voted against it.

At least, that's what I'm getting from your one-word response.
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After the Dems couldn't help but put in unrelated taxation code into the bill in an attempt to play on the need to help 9/11 first responders to push their own agenda. Who uses the plight of the sick and dying for their own political profit?
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If they had simply written a bill that said: "We're going to provide X amount of health care assistance to 9/11 first responders, and we'll pay for it out of Y budget, or even via the creation of a temporary tariff on <something>", the GOP would have voted for it.

Huh? It was closing a loophole.


It was a new tax. The Dems would call "letting people keep their own money" a loophole in the tax code if they could Joph.

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Are you just making up your own reality as you go along or something? No one except you has trouble understanding that the GOP wanted to attach an amendment related to illegal immigrants and the Democrats didn't want to have to vote on that amendment and so used a procedure which didn't allow amendments but required a 2/3rds vote to pass.


Yeah, no. Remember when I started out saying that it's more complicated that the surface layer most people are talking about. The Dems used a bill to help 9/11 first responders to insert a new tax. The GOP didn't like this, and had no way to overrule that, so instead they inserted an amendment which they knew the Dems wouldn't like (tit for tat I guess). The Dems didn't want to vote on the amendment and attempted to use another procedural move to eliminate it. They failed.

Had they written a clean bill from the start, none of this would have happened. The point is that both parties conspired to prevent this bill from happening. But you (and most posters) conveniently start the shenanigans at the point where the GOP does something to block the bill, and manage to ignore the bits the Dems through into the original bill language.

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I think everyone (else) understands that the Democrats were at fault for not just voting down the amendment and the GOP was at fault for not just sucking up their amendment and voting to help the 9/11 responders.


The Dems were at fault for attempting to use a bill to help people as a means to pass a new and potentially ruinous tax.

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The funny thing is that while everyone else is able to look at the situation and see fault with both parties...


You're unable to see the actual fault of the Dems though. That's the problem. You fault the Dems only for failing to stop the GOP from blocking the bill. Gee... I can't imagine why the calls of "both parties are to blame" seem to ring a bit false when it's couched that way.


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... you need to invent your very own reality which has nothing to do with what actually happened just so you can circle the wagons around the GOP and blame the Democrats, saying that they didn't want to vote for their bill (which actually had well over a 50% majority vote but shy of 66%). Is your need to defend the Republicans really this pathological?


No. However, my need to point out when the story is being horribly twisted in order to make the Dems look like they're champions of the helpless and whatnot, when they were not nearly so pure in their intentions. And I'm not inventing my own reality. I'm looking at the whole process, not just the last bit.
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It was a new tax
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Still, they point out the bill is deficit-neutral, paid for by targeting “treaty shopping.” That’s the practice whereby a foreign company in a country without a U.S. tax treaty routes income through a third intermediary company located in a country with a treaty to take advantage of the intermediary company’s tax reductions.

It was a loophole foreign companies were using to avoid their legal tax burden. But hey, call it a "new tax!" and pat the GOP on the back for thinking that allowing those foreign companies to dodge their taxes was more important than this bill. Must be a real point of pride for you since you chose this point to defend the GOP on. Go Republicans!!

I started writing more but I'm still working on my new mantra of giving people the answer they deserve rather than the one they want. When you're wrong right out of the box, there's no reason to go forward.
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It was a new tax
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Still, they point out the bill is deficit-neutral, paid for by targeting “treaty shopping.” That’s the practice whereby a foreign company in a country without a U.S. tax treaty routes income through a third intermediary company located in a country with a treaty to take advantage of the intermediary company’s tax reductions.

It was a loophole foreign companies were using to avoid their legal tax burden.


It's a "loophole" to avoid a tax policy in which the US is the only country to implement. No other country in the world treats all revenue from a corporation with an office in said country as taxable by that country, no matter where the revenue was actually generated. That "loophole" exists because US corporate tax code is the most screwed up thing in the world. Every multinational corporation has to go through huge hoops involving creating of subsidiaries in order to avoid having to double pay on taxes as a result of it. If, occasionally, this means that some company uses the same codes to shift earnings around a bit more aggressively than most, and cheats the system, that's annoying but perhaps the US should revisit its code instead of blocking the entire process for everyone?

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But hey, call it a "new tax!" and pat the GOP on the back for thinking that allowing those foreign companies to dodge their taxes was more important than this bill. Must be a real point of pride for you since you chose this point to defend the GOP on. Go Republicans!!


It's not just "foreign companies", Joph. US companies create "foreign" subsidiaries in order to open offices in those countries without having to pay the revenues generated there as income in the US (in addition to taxes paid in the country the office is located in). They're technically foreign companies, but in name only. They'd also be affected by this, not just the ones using creative accounting mechanisms to make it look as though earnings made in the US actually were earned elsewhere.

The potential effect this could have on the presence of multinational corporations in the US could be far far broader than those suggested in the language of the bill itself and the simplistic and biased interpretations by most political reporters. It's the equivalent of fixing a small leak by banging on a pipe with a hammer. You're going to make things worse. If they wanted to fix this, they should focus on accounting mechanisms to allow them to more properly assess profits actually earned "in the US" and drop the tax laws which attempt to simply tax all earnings by all companies incorporated in the US.


The additional problem with this is that it's open ended. The total amount of money needed to address the health care issues of 9/11 responders is finite. But the future taxes gained by this don't stop when that fund is done. Thus, the extra money will end out ultimately going to other things down the line. It essentially just becomes another source of revenue for the US government and enables future entitlement and big government spending.


So yeah. Conservatives have a problem with it. You have a single, one time need which will cost money. Create a funding process that is equally single and one time. Long long after every single 9/11 responders needs have been cared for, this tax will still be there. It's this same sort of short sighted thinking that has lead us into the financial problems we're in right now. How about we not continue to do more of it?
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It's a "loophole" to avoid a tax policy in which the US is the only country to implement.

Assuming this is true... so what? A loophole to avoid the tax law is a loophole to avoid the tax law. Pretty funny how "Every other industrialized nation has universal health care!" doesn't matter but "OMGOMGOMG!!! We don't have the same tax code as those other guys!!! We shouldn't follow our laws because they're not the same as THEIR laws!!!"

Skipping the rest of the lame rationales about why we should ignore our tax laws and oppose closing what is an obvious legal loophole being used to avoid that tax law just because you don't like the law itself. Good job though. You almost made the GOP not look like pathetic assholes by arguing that keeping tax loopholes open was more important than this bill.
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As a rule, if Gbaji makes an argument longer than a paragraph, it's unerringly false.

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So yeah. Conservatives have a problem with it. You have a single, one time need which will cost money. Create a funding process that is equally single and one time. Long long after every single 9/11 responders needs have been cared for, this tax will still be there. It's this same sort of short sighted thinking that has lead us into the financial problems we're in right now. How about we not continue to do more of it?


Whoah there, what the ****?

This wrongness was especially glaring. So, your argument is that by generating more income for the government via taxing foreign enterprises that do business with the US, (and thus lowering the deficit), we create greater financial difficulties for the US???

In what bizzaro world institute did you learn economics?
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It's a "loophole" to avoid a tax policy in which the US is the only country to implement.

Assuming this is true... so what? A loophole to avoid the tax law is a loophole to avoid the tax law.


Because it's a "loophole" which must exist in order for any multinational corporation to have any presence in both the US *and* another country. You get that if you insist that there be no way for a corporation to avoid paying taxes on revenue earned outside the US, that the response will be to simply move the entire corporation outside the US, right? And all US corporations will retreat into the US.


This has the potential for disastrous long term financial implications. Far far broader than the bill in question. That you'd stick something with such ramifications into the end of a bill intended to address a single short term issue is amazingly retarded. It's a major change to US tax policy and should properly be addressed on its own merits and in its own bill, not slapped into a bill they hoped no one would vote against because it was helping heroes.


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Pretty funny how "Every other industrialized nation has universal health care!" doesn't matter but "OMGOMGOMG!!! We don't have the same tax code as those other guys!!! We shouldn't follow our laws because they're not the same as THEIR laws!!!"


Oversimplify much?
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This wrongness was especially glaring. So, your argument is that by generating more income for the government via taxing foreign enterprises that do business with the US, (and thus lowering the deficit), we create greater financial difficulties for the US???


They aren't taxing "foreign enterprises". They are taxing corporations with business holdings in the US, but also with holdings outside the US, who dare to attempt to protect the revenue they make outside the US from the long arm of the US tax law. While the law claims to only target a specific subset of those companies, it's so broadly written in the bill that it could be applied to almost any multinational corporation operating in the US. Certainly, every one of those companies will have to re-asses their international methodologies to ensure that they aren't likely to be found in violation of the new law (whatever it ends out actually saying).

It's more than a little disingenuous to argue in favor of a tax in order to "decrease the deficit" after you just supported massive spending increases. Doubly so when the other guy argued to not spend the money in the first place. How about we cut spending to decrease the deficit, instead of raising taxes? I know. It's a crazy idea!

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In what bizzaro world institute did you learn economics?


The one in which the reality is that if you make it too expensive to do business in a given geographical region, people won't do business there? The one in which raising taxes to pay for something today will result in new spending tomorrow to use the new tax. Or have you just never paid attention to the "tax and spend" process?

Tighten the belt of Washington, and they'll stop spending so damn much. No politician is ever going to stop spending more if he thinks he's got unlimited funds to draw on.
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Because it's a "loophole" which must exist in order for any multinational corporation to have any presence in both the US *and* another country.

Hahaha... no.

Rather than be debate it, you provide proof of that statement.

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Oversimplify much?

You obviously have trouble with any complex.
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How about we cut spending to decrease the deficit, instead of raising taxes?

It's not raising taxes, it's closing a loophole that you already admitted is being used to cheat the tax code.

But, yeah: "Raising taxes!" As I said, you have trouble with anything remotely complex.

Keep circling those wagons around the GOP!
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The one in which the reality is that if you make it too expensive to do business in a given geographical region, people won't do business there?


I'm truly worried that businesses will believe that it's not in their best interest to find a way to operate in a country that makes up a quarter of the total world market.
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The one in which the reality is that if you make it too expensive to do business in a given geographical region, people won't do business there?


I'm truly worried that businesses will believe that it's not in their best interest to find a way to operate in a country that makes up a quarter of the total world market.


If they can make more money elsewhere? In a freaking heartbeat. We wont be the country with a quarter of the total world market in a few decades if the Dems have their way. They see anything which prevents them from taking money from the private sector and putting it in the hands of their precious big government as a "loophole".
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How about we cut spending to decrease the deficit, instead of raising taxes?

It's not raising taxes, it's closing a loophole that you already admitted is being used to cheat the tax code.

But, yeah: "Raising taxes!" As I said, you have trouble with anything remotely complex.

Keep circling those wagons around the GOP!

I like to think of it as "collecting taxes that are owed us". Any way we could collect the back taxes associated with this loophole? I'm thinking we could kill the national debt outright.
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How about we cut spending to decrease the deficit, instead of raising taxes?

It's not raising taxes, it's closing a loophole that you already admitted is being used to cheat the tax code.


No. It's in complete accordance with the tax code. The code says that if the corporation "MyCompany Inc" which exists in the US opens up a branch office in Taiwan, it must count all the revenue of it's Taiwan office for purposes of US taxes. Of course, their branch office in Taiwan will also have to pay taxes in that country for revenues it generates. However, if you split the assets of MyCompany Inc, and use some of them to create a subsidiary called "MyCompany, Taiwan Inc", that corporation has a separate set of assets, revenue, and legal identity. Thus, it can generate revenue in Taiwan that is only taxed in Taiwan. Which seems fair since it's competing against other companies in Taiwan which don't have to pay US taxes either.

That's how the law currently exists. It's not a loophole at all for companies to do this. But what the US government is trying to do is find companies which do this in countries with particularly beneficial tax laws and agreements and punish them for doing so, on the assumption that they are cheating. And it's certainly possible that some are. But in the process, they could be introducing additional ramifications with regard to legitimate corporate activity which could come back to bite us.


It just reminds me of the Dems putting a small amendment into the 1999 Financial Services Modification Act that required financial entities to pass CRA board exams to get FDIC. At the time it seemed innocuous enough, and was also justified on the grounds that it would "help people". Looking back though, it's clear that this was a mistake. I see this the same way. By trying to close a "tax loophole" to generate revenue, justified on the basis of "helping people", we're introducing as yet undefined additional changes in terms of how multinational corporations are going to operate financially.

You don't really think they'll just agree to let the US tax them, do you? They'll just find other ways to structure their corporations to avoid the taxes. But those restructured forms might be less beneficial to the rest of us down the line. It's just a bad idea. And it's certainly a bad idea to do this with so little thought and for something which is supposedly a temporary fund.

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But, yeah: "Raising taxes!" As I said, you have trouble with anything remotely complex.


I don't have problems with things that are complex. But you do. For you, it's as simple as "closing a tax loophole". Lol...
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I like to think of it as "collecting taxes that are owed us". Any way we could collect the back taxes associated with this loophole? I'm thinking we could kill the national debt outright.


How is the US collecting taxes on revenue generated outside the US "collecting taxes that are owed us"?
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When one branch of a company lends to a different branch of the same company in order to write off the lending in one country so that it can instead pay lower tax on it in a different country, I'm pretty sure it can be described as a clever tax loophole.

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Because it's a "loophole" which must exist in order for any multinational corporation to have any presence in both the US *and* another country.

Hahaha... no.

Rather than be debate it, you provide proof of that statement.

I assume you just somehow missed this instead of ignoring it and praying no one makes you address it.

Hahaha.. I'm just kidding of course. No one believes you're not just avoiding it. Quick! Google something off the Heritage Foundation!
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That's how the law currently exists. It's not a loophole at all for companies to do this.

Really? Routing money through 3rd party nations with tax treaties with the US to avoid paying their legal obligation of taxes isn't a loophole?

Really?

LOL. So which idiotic blog are you cribbing this from?

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When one branch of a company lends to a different branch of the same company in order to write off the lending in one country so that it can instead pay lower tax on it in a different country, I'm pretty sure it can be described as a clever tax loophole.


Sure. But how do you distinguish between that and one branch of the company lending money to the other for legitimate expansion of their operations in that other country? Let's say I need a corporate branch office in Europe in order to manage contracts in that part of the world. Let's say I'm smart and look for a country to house this branch office which has the most beneficial tax laws (why not, right?). Let's also say that this works out very well, and as a result said branch office has expanded from a dozen people to 200 and conducts business in a dozen different countries.

All of this is legitimate business. Yet, the US government gets butthurt because some companies might hide their taxes by operating a small office in one of those countries purely so that contracts can be signed there so as to avoid tax liability. Instead of coming up with a more sane tax law so as to avoid this, they use a large hammer approach and go after *all* US companies with branch offices in countryX, who do business in countries A,B,C, or D.

It's a stupid way of doing things. It's ultimately ineffective, since the corporations are generally smarter about this than the US government *and* if the money is located overseas, the US has it's hands somewhat tied. It has to be heavy handed to the corporations *and* the countries involved and they're only going to put up with this for so long. It's a really really bad road to go down, and will only make things worse, not better.

It's the same thing we see here in California (but on a larger and broader scale). People form limited corporations in Nevada because of the tax benefits. The state of California gets butthurt about this and wants to come after them and invents all sorts of mean ways to do it. But if they'd just not have such high business taxes in the first place, people would do more business in the state. You can't blame the players when they adjust how they play when you change the rules. I say this a lot because it's one of those true facts that the left seems to never quite understand.


What's the old saying: If you chase to rabbits you'll lose both? The Left in this country tries to hard to maximize government revenues by increasing taxes where ever it can. Then, when the people they're trying to tax attempt to find ways to move their businesses (or themselves) in order to avoid the taxes, they try to pass yet more laws to punish them for doing this. If they'd just pass reasonable taxes, people wouldn't do this, and they'd grow their businesses, and increase their total profits, and the government might just collect *more* revenue in the long term as a result.


What a concept! Instead of increasing the tax rates to increase revenue, increase the size of the tax base. The benefits of doing the latter are pretty significant. But the Dems repeatedly pursue a process that shrinks the tax base over time, meaning they have to raise taxes more to compensate (plus they keep increasing spending). It's pretty obvious that this approach wont work in the long run, but they don't care about the long run, do they?
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That's how the law currently exists. It's not a loophole at all for companies to do this.

Really? Routing money through 3rd party nations with tax treaties with the US to avoid paying their legal obligation of taxes isn't a loophole?

Really?

LOL. So which idiotic blog are you cribbing this from?


Um... The one where a tax lawyer for the corporation I work for gave a presentation about why you can't work at an office in a foreign country for more than 60 days (depends on the country actually), or you open the entire branch office to being taxed by the US government in addition to the country it's located in? If you need to work at a remote site for an extended period of time, they actually have to fire you, and hire you at the other corporation (with work visas needed and whatnot). It's a freaking nightmare what the US government makes international corporations go through.

It's the standard spiel they give to all employees who might need to do foreign travel as part of their jobs (which is me btw). I'm pretty sure there were slides...


I'm not basing this on some bloggers opinion Joph. I'm basing this on information I was given by a corporate tax attorney who specialized in tax ramifications of operating a foreign subsidiary corporations. My training was specific to labor transfer across international offices, but he gave a pretty complete rundown of the applicable tax codes and explained *why* the company has to go through the hoops it does. It's not hard to look at the funding component of the bill in question and see that the "loophole" they're trying to close, can potentially affect legitimate businesses as well as ones set up just to "cheat".

Obviously, I don't know which countries qualify as having the right set of tax treaties with the US, or which ones technically count as "tax haven" countries either. But given that those definitions aren't written into the bill, I'm not going to just trust that the government will only define them in ways that manage to only punish guys doing nothing but trying to avoid paying taxes for work done inside the US itself.


It's just the wrong direction to go IMO.
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I'm not basing this on some bloggers opinion Joph.

Hahahahaha

Right.

Still waiting on that evidence, by the way. Maybe your imaginary internet tax lawyer can get you that as well! I hear C|Net works wonders.
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It's the same thing we see here in California (but on a larger and broader scale). People form limited corporations in Nevada because of the tax benefits. The state of California gets butthurt about this and wants to come after them and invents all sorts of mean ways to do it. But if they'd just not have such high business taxes in the first place, people would do more business in the state. You can't blame the players when they adjust how they play when you change the rules. I say this a lot because it's one of those true facts that the left seems to never quite understand.


In order for this ever to be the case, the US would have to have the lowest corporate tax rate in the world. Otherwise, businesses will continue this practice. Now, seeing as places like this* have a 0% tax rate, this is a vacuous argument.


*: Hilariously, the backbone of this country's economy is collecting bird ****

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This wrongness was especially glaring. So, your argument is that by generating more income for the government via taxing foreign enterprises that do business with the US, (and thus lowering the deficit), we create greater financial difficulties for the US???


They aren't taxing "foreign enterprises". They are taxing corporations with business holdings in the US, but also with holdings outside the US, who dare to attempt to protect the revenue they make outside the US from the long arm of the US tax law. While the law claims to only target a specific subset of those companies, it's so broadly written in the bill that it could be applied to almost any multinational corporation operating in the US. Certainly, every one of those companies will have to re-asses their international methodologies to ensure that they aren't likely to be found in violation of the new law (whatever it ends out actually saying).


Wrong, wrong, and more wrong. You really should do your research before spouting off such ridiculous bullsh*t.

The text of the bill containing said ammendment can be found here:
http://www.us.kpmg.com/microsite/taxnewsflash/2010/Jul/HR.847_Amended.pdf

The relevant section is under title III on page 117 of the PDF document, and it states:

IN GENERAL — Section 894 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986  
(relating to income affected by treaty) is amended by adding  
at the end the following new subsection: 
 
(d) LIMITATION ON TREATY BENEFITS FOR CERTAIN DEDUCTIBLE PAYMENTS.— 
  (1) IN GENERAL.— 
        In the case of any deductible related-party  
        payment, any withholding tax imposed under chapter 3  
        (and any tax imposed under subpart A or B of this part) 
        with respect to such payment may not be reduced under  
        any treaty of the United States unless any such  
        withholding tax would be reduced under a treaty of the  
        United States if such payment were made directly to  
        the foreign parent corporation. 
  (2) DEDUCTIBLE RELATED-PARTY PAYMENT.—  
        For purposes of this subsection, the term  
        ‘deductible related-party payment’ means any payment  
        made, directly or indirectly, by any person to any  
        other person if the payment is allowable as a  
        deduction under this chapter and both persons are 
        members of the same foreign controlled group of  
        entities. 
  (3) FOREIGN CONTROLLED GROUP OF ENTITIES.— 
        For purposes of this subsection— 
          (A) IN GENERAL.— 
                The term ‘foreign controlled  
                group of entities’ means a controlled group  
                of entities the common parent of which is a  
                foreign corporation. 
          (B) CONTROLLED GROUP OF ENTITIES.— 
                The term ‘controlled group of entities’ means a 
                controlled group of corporations as defined in 
                section 1563(a)(1), except that— 
                  (i)  ‘more than 50 percent’ shall be substituted  
                         for ‘at least 80 percent’ each place it  
                         appears therein, and  
                  (ii) the determination shall be made 
                         without regard to subsections (a)(4) and 
                         (b)(2) of section 1563.



So, this only applies to companies headquartered in foreign countries which have no direct applicable tax-reducing treaty with the U.S. The existing tax code is amended to say that only control of "more than 50% of the total combined voting power of all classes of stock entitled to vote" is required to be considered a controlling group. This means that now any corporation for which over 50% of the stock is held by foreign interests is defined as a "foreign controlled group of entities" for the purpose of this restriction.

The effect of this restriction is that a U.S. subsidiary may no longer avoid paying taxes on income earned in the U.S. by making a deductible payment to another party within the corporation that resides in a country in which a treaty exists with the U.S. that might allow tax reductions before funneling the money back to the corporate headquarters residing in a country with no such tax-reducing treaty.

For example, let's suppose the following:

A) England has a treaty with the U.S. that reduces taxes on deductible payments
B) China has no such treaty
C) An corporation ("ABC CORP") is headquartered in China.

As the code exists now, A U.S. subsidiary of "ABC CORP" may transfer U.S. based income to a England-based subsidiary of "ABC CORP" via a deductible payment, thereby reducing the amount of tax owed on said income. The English subsidiary of said corporation may then transfer the funds to corporate interests outside of the boundary of the U.S. tax code.

It's a loophole that allows foreign corporations to avoid paying taxes that should be paid for income earned in the U.S. through the use of a third party subsidiary residing in a country that is a signatory to such tax-reducing treaties with the U.S., and it should be rightfully closed, especially if the funds lost to said loophole approach anywhere near the 7.4 billion required to fund the WTC bill.

It's not a "new tax", nor could it possibly be construed as such by any individual with a reasonable amount of intellect.

Edited, Aug 12th 2010 12:43am by BrownDuck
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