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#1 Aug 05 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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certainly not congress

A bill to provide medical coverage to 911 workers was voted down. To pay for the bill they were going to close a tax loophole that allows companies incorporated in tax havens to avoid paying tax on income earned in the states. This was the major point of opposition.

The other problem seems to be that the dems didn't want to deal with amendments because of some bullsh*t election year stuff, and so made it a 2/3 majority vote which didn't pass. Apparently the amendment was going to be that any 911 workers who were here illegally wouldn't get help, as they were clearly slacking off and stealing from real Americans. I don't know how this works, but couldn't they have just voted down the amendment?

Pretty poor play on every side of the isle, although it was amusing watching the video of Anthony Weiner losing it.

Apparently grammar is not my strong point this morning.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 10:26am by Xsarus
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#2 Aug 05 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
Sadly this **** doesn't surprise me. We just want to forget about it.

And by it, I mean everything the citizens do for this country and their fellow man.
#3 Aug 05 2010 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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From what I heard, the Republicans added that amendment specifically to force the Dems to scuttle it so they could point fingers. And yes, Weiner throwing a fit was rather amusing.
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#4 Aug 05 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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He didn't yield his time....with a vengeance!!
#5 Aug 05 2010 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'm actually a little surprised that 911 workers don't already have healthcare coverage.
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#6 Aug 05 2010 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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I'm actually a little surprised that 911 workers don't already have healthcare coverage.


This.
#7 Aug 05 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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well, not enough for all of them, and don't forget they now all have pre-existing conditions.
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#8 Aug 05 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
Can't we just cry about how "un-american" this is and get them the damn insurance out of guilt?

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 12:29pm by Kaelesh
#9 Aug 05 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
Can't we just cry about how "un-american" this is and get them the damn insurance out of guilt?

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 12:29pm by Kaelesh
What's so un-American about celebrating someone one day and throwing them under the bus the next?
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#10 Aug 05 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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Can't we just cry about how "un-american" this is and get them the damn insurance out of guilt?

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 12:29pm by Kaelesh
What's so un-American about celebrating someone one day and throwing them under the bus the next?


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#11 Aug 05 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
If I'm understanding the news article correctly, the vote would have passed with a simple majority, but considering it under such procedures would have allowed the GOP to insert an amendment that blocked aid to illegal immigrant workers affected by the disaster.

Two things come to mind:

A) How many illegal immigrants are employed by the groups that provided rescue and recovery services for the 9/11 incident anyway? I'm thinking it has to be a really low number, but I have no stats to prove it. The democrats have got to stop pandering to minorities on every single occasion and actually get stuff done in the face of republican opposition. Progress, not pandering, will win votes come November.

B) The republican intent to add such an amendment is pretty clearly more of the same obstructionist behavior we've come to expect. Not only does it soil the panties of lame democrats who are afraid of losing minority votes, but it protects corporate interests by avoiding the closure of a tax loophole.

Both sides failed the people here. The democrats are weak in the knees and the republicans are more concerned about protecting corporate interests and contributions than representing the people who elected them. Pretty disgusting show of American politics, IMO.
#12 Aug 05 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Pretty disgusting show of American politics, IMO.
Agreed. It's not going to change anytime soon, either, unless something drastic happens.
#13 Aug 05 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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How do amendments work? Why couldn't they just vote to not include the amendment and then vote the bill through? Or is that the case when the GOP would just keep introducing more amendments?
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How many illegal immigrants are employed by the groups that provided rescue and recovery services for the 9/11 incident anyway?
Why should it matter is my question. They put their lives on the line to save Americans. Give them the benefits while they're there, as appreciation, and kick them out once you're able to do so. Illegal or not, these people deserve gratitude and respect.
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#15 Aug 05 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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How many illegal immigrants are employed by the groups that provided rescue and recovery services for the 9/11 incident anyway?
Why should it matter is my question. They put their lives on the line to save Americans. Give them the benefits while they're there, as appreciation, and kick them out once you're able to do so. Illegal or not, these people deserve gratitude and respect.


It shouldn't matter, I agree. All I was saying is that the net benefit of the amendment would have been trivial at best.
#16 Aug 05 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Not shocked, this has been happening for at least 6 years IIRC, could be even more.
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Yeah, these poor people have been struggling for the past 9 years now, dealing with their health problems that are associated with running into burning buildings and saving lives. And it's all that one ******* Mexican's fault, how dare he think he could help?
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Yeah, these poor people have been struggling for the past 9 years now, dealing with their health problems that are associated with running into burning buildings and saving lives. And it's all that one @#%^ing Mexican's fault, how dare he think he could help?

Who else are they gonna get to pay $3 an hour to shovel burning asbestos and body parts out of the streets?
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#19 Aug 09 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The conservative trifecta seems awfully quiet. Not one condemnation, guys?
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#20 Aug 10 2010 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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Workers compensation is made to cover just such illnesses/injuries.

Employers pay good money to some insurance company to provide for worker coverage. I'd be all for legislation to insure that the insurers were insuring the insured.
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bsphil wrote:
The conservative trifecta seems awfully quiet. Not one condemnation, guys?


I'm not positive that "trifecta" is the word you want, here.

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#22 Aug 10 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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The conservative trifecta seems awfully quiet. Not one condemnation, guys?


I'm not positive that "trifecta" is the word you want, here.
Trifailure?
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#23 Aug 10 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
You know what would've prevented this?

Universal healthcare.
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Call me heartless, but why should these aid workers be compensated? If they were with an organization, it would be on that organization to provide coverage (and likely on the workers to buy into the coverage; it's insurance, right?). If they were volunteers, well, they volunteered.

I agree with the part about closing that tax loophole, but I'm really not sure why the workers should be compensated besides patriotism. I may have been missing something (like if the rescue workers were with the government... but then wouldn't they have government insurance?), as I only scanned the article, but it does seem like spending that should not necessarily be on the government to provide.
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Call me heartless, but why should these aid workers be compensated? If they were with an organization, it would be on that organization to provide coverage (and likely on the workers to buy into the coverage; it's insurance, right?).
No. Law requires employers to cover workers for injuries or illness that occur on the job or because of the job (the individuals insurance covers them for general non work related stuff).

Workers comp is insurance though - bought and paid for by the employer. Like most insurance providers they'll often not happily and thoroughly cover expenses without a fight. The EPA claimed that site was safe from air borne hazards - I can see where some Workers Comp insuring company might use that statement to get them off the hook for chronic illnesses that showed up after the event. It seems to me that it would be these types of disputes that the government could help out with.
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Call me heartless, but why should these aid workers be compensated? If they were with an organization, it would be on that organization to provide coverage (and likely on the workers to buy into the coverage; it's insurance, right?).
No. Law requires employers to cover workers for injuries or illness that occur on the job or because of the job (the individuals insurance covers them for general non work related stuff).

Workers comp is insurance though - bought and paid for by the employer. Like most insurance providers they'll often not happily and thoroughly cover expenses without a fight. The EPA claimed that site was safe from air borne hazards - I can see where some Workers Comp insuring company might use that statement to get them off the hook for chronic illnesses that showed up after the event. It seems to me that it would be these types of disputes that the government could help out with.


If I understand you right, you mean that the workers, if sick, already receive compensation for illness by their employers; but worker's compensation itself is insurance, and the insurance companies will try and ***** the workers if at all possible? That's pretty much the norm, and seems more of a problem for the workers than the government. While it sucks to be sick and fighting insurance companies, it happens daily. I agree insurance folks can be bloodsucking fiends, but I don't know if it's on the government to fight the battles for a select few works... and not to the tune of $7.3 billion.

Reading the article, it seems a number (10,000) have already sued successfully for $713 million (they didn't say who was sued; the government?). While $71,300 on average to each worker might not seem like a ton, it seems like a decent ending to a battle most would fight alone and likely end up losing. I just am not sure the government should be involved here.
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