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Edited, Sep 27th 2010 7:49pm by ShadorVIII

That is the most assinine piece of meaningless doubletalk I have ever seen.

Wrong. DADT allows homosexuals to join the military and forces them to either lie about their personal life or keep it completely to themselves. You know that's true, you just want to pretend it isn't.




I didn't start the repeal against DADT, but I support it. I would also support the repeal of the anti-sodomy laws. I don't know why it's not being done all at once, Alma. But that's reality. So instead of pouting because it's not being done exactly the way you want, one would think that you would stand behind the military forcing a silly rule and use that as a jumping off point for repealing other silly rules. Instead, you'd rather cry and stomp your feet and refuse to get behind behind a good change because, I don't know, your feelings are hurt...?

Welcome to the joke. You're so easy to string along that it's scarcely credible.



Of course, you stupid fucker. It's your need to believe that it's genetic, so much so that my innocuous claim there was still uncertainty in this regard - which you now seem to agree with, or you would not say "if homosexuality does turn out to be genetic" - provoked you, that makes me suspicious. You'd notice, if your tiny little brain could hold more than a sentence at a time, that I qualified the part you highlighted with phrases like "chances are" and "or", so at no point did I claim to definitively know you; I do not want to, you are slime.

Let's get serious, though. I reckon what really happened was that, when you read my reply to Quadkit, you saw that I was doing something other than declaring the certainty of the precise cause of homosexuality and assumed that I was some kind of homophobic republican because they, being enormously invested in the argument it is mutable, make a similar argument. If this is the case, and it seems pretty fucking likely given your reply, then it's tremendously hypocritical for you to then accuse me of making assumptions about you.

You're wrong, byt eh way - while I don't know you, I can use my Holmesian powers of deduction to noodle out a few things about you. To whit: you're stupid, easily provoked and overly sensitive, a giant sucker and a terrible human being. If you killed yourself, the world would be a better place. I say that a lot, I know, but never have I meant it more than I do right now.

No, you don't. You're just making stuff up because it sounds nice. You all keep forgetting that I've litterally lived my entire life around the military.

You see obvious gay lovers spending time together all the time in the military, under the DADT, you can't approach them and question their sexuality. In any other "inappropriate" relationship, the couple would get questioned based off of perception. DADT saves them from that. So, if you remove DADT and allow homosexuals to be open about it, it becomes even more contradictory than what it already is.

Second, heterosexual Soldiers can't be freely open about their sexuality either, unless you're restricting sexuality to just "heterosexual" or "homosexual". In that case you're right, but sexuality is more than that, so in reality terms, you are wrong. Heterosexuals have to hide their sexual desires and escapades that aren't considered appropriate as well.

What part of "don't tell" do you not get? If you say you are a homosexual, you can get kicked out of the military. If you say you are heterosexual, they cannot kick you out of the military. It's that simple. Again, you know it, you just want to pretend it isn't true. Your problem, not mine.



I do have a problem abandoning the repeal. Because there's no point in taking a step backwards in order to cater to you.



Except the army forcing people not to talk about their personal lives or be kicked out of the military for being gay. You know, the whole point of DADT.



No, actually that's what you're doing. Using a less forceful word to pretend that DADT isn't as bad as it is.



As you're so fond of saying, "See above."

One of my best friends married an army guy. I can remember her fear while he was in Iraq and how she waited by the phone every night for his phone calls. I introduced them.

After his second deployment, I talked to him about Iraq, and I asked him his thoughts on DADT. He said that he had pictures of his wife up all over and it helped him. He wasn't sure how he'd feel if putting up pictures of his loved one could possibly get him kicked out of the army. He thought it was ridiculous.

He is now in Korea, living on base with his wife. Are you going to try to tell me that, if he were gay, his boyfriend would be welcome to come live on the base with him?

Of course I'm pasty, you racist fuck, I'm British.

Swing and a miss on the rest, though.

"Black" isn't technically a race either, you know. In fact, the races most people think of when you say the word have no basis in biology whatsoever; they are social constructs. My government defines white british as a race, therefore it is valid. The point is that you're associating the colour of my skin with negative stereotypes, and it's pretty offensive. What are you going to do next, brown-shirt, sing the Horst-Wessel song?

Didn't realize the military was full of such pussies.