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really? What skin?

If gays and lesbians are becoming more and more accepted in the military, why not repeal DADT then.

Hmmm, I can. I can't read the yellow at all. I suppose the skin you''re browsing with impacts text color visibility.

I use the EQ skin - light greyish background.

Just use bold and italic for emphasis? That would carry across forums.

Edited, Sep 16th 2010 12:21pm by Xsarus

So, Alm, if it's really just a self thing, and the law doesn't actually do anything, why have it?

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! No fighting: this is the war room.

Sorry due to milk intolerance, I'm going to have to request that we have pasta instead. Rest of you can top it off with cheese if you want.

That or we can do taco's as I found that as long as I replace the cheese with guacamole, I can happy enjoy one of my favorite dishes.

I suggest some Dogfish ale to go along with what ever we serve.

Just about any living land creature makes a great pizza topping. I used to get meatlovers pizza...which was a heartattack in every slice, granted, but so ******* delicious.

Bacon, steak, pepperoni, sausage, extra cheese... supposed to come with salami but meh.

****. Now I want pizza.

It does, but it isn't as effective, especially in a ton of text, it can sometimes get overlooked.



I do understand what you're saying, I'm just replying that you don't get what I'm saying. Repealing DADT ALONE creates contradictory within the military, because everyone else is subject to endure similar restrictions. It's all or nothing.

When I mentioned these unwritten rules and practices, you replied that since I'm the only military person claiming that, then I must be wrong. This is how I can say that you have no idea what you're talking about and just making stuff up. I'm telling you how things work and you say it isn't true based on what? Exactly, the stuff you believe, i.e. the stuff you made up.

I'll accept that apology now.



Correction; You mean, "Imagine the military having all of these rules and regulations on relationships that affect everyone in which typically are not carried over in the civilian world to uphold this created image. Now imagine the military lifting only the ban on homosexual relations, which completely contracts the other bans just because homosexuals are special.



Why not change the colour of FFXI background to be more colour friendly? I mean you can read one or two words, but anything more than that in other colors is just atrocious.

No, not really. If everyone in the military can't talk about oral or **** sex, then that's that. But just talking about your boyfriend or girlfriend back home doesn't get a straight person kicked out, while it can get a homosexual kicked out.



Noooo. That's not what I was talking about. You said a guy can't hold hands with a girl in public if you're in the military. I said I didn't believe that for a second. I never doubted that the military has fucked up rules about **** and oral sex.



I'm sorry you're an idiot.

My understanding is that you can't just "repeal" DADT. You'd need to replace it, or keep half of it while getting rid of the rest.



I think that's a false question though. When firing people, companies always look for the "easiest out". If company policy says that you can be fired if you show up late for your shift three times in a 6 month period then you can be fired at any point if you have violated that rule. But if you are a good employee, you *wont* be fired for that. Same deal here. I'd wager that the reason why tens of thousands of gay people are currently serving in the military right now, and only a couple thousand have been discharged under DADT over the last 15 years or so is precisely because unless you make a massive public issue of it, the "dont ask" part of DADT results in most gay soldiers never having a problem with this unless there's some other problem.


If those people had been straight, they'd likely still have been discharged. Just for different reasons. It's not a "crisis" as some are making this out to be.

Oh. And let me repeat again: They are not being thrown out for "being homosexual". They are being thrown out for engaging in homosexual activity. That activity can include declaring your sexuality, but that's the "don't tell" part of the law. Unless you're making some kind of political point (which the military tends to frown on), or are "caught" engaging in activity (which can often get you tossed gay or not), you're not going to get discharged. And even if you do the latter, you likely aren't unless they want you gone anyway.

Edited, Sep 16th 2010 4:17pm by gbaji

That's a new one on me. I've never heard anything like that.



Maybe, maybe not. I'm not so sure. In the article I linked a couple of posts up, that's not what it sounds like in that case.





Again, not necessarily. See above. Though, honestly, one has to consider why sodomy or oral sex is a problem. My guess is that those laws were added simply to keep homosexuals out in the first place.

Edited, Sep 16th 2010 6:22pm by Belkira