Elinda wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
The point alma, is it doesn't matter if people enforce it or not. Belk didn't say you were wrong about what you were saying about the current state, she just disagrees with you over the fact that it excuses DADT.
Also stop using Yellow text.
It's not about enforcing, it is enforced, that is how DADT works. Just because you see someone who is obviously gay, that doesn't mean kick them out. Before DADT, you could. That's the point I'm trying to make.
Why have yellow text available if you don't want anyone to use it?
I colored that because people fail to read what I write and I'm tired of repeating myself.
The yellow is just really hard to see. I'd suggest red.
I'm curious if DADT enforced on straight folks too?
ie if someone were to 'find out' you were straight, would you get kicked out of the military?
Also, is it hard to keep to yourself things that are so much a part of your life? Is it habit now for you to refer to your SO as an 'it'...or do you use he/she?
I imagine it's ok to talk about your kids, but not about how they may have made their way into this world as that would be a sexual-preference revealing event?
DADT is enforced on heterosexuals, I've already given a million examples.
I don't mention my SO because it's no one's business. Most people think I just stay at home and play video games by myself.
Xsarus wrote:
Isn't removing one stupid law better than removing none? It's generally most effective to target specific changes and work bit by bit. Slower, but then at least something happens.
No it isn't. Because just removing that one creates complete contradictory with everything else. You're better off rewriting everything all at once and making one change. That way if something is left out by mistake or overlooked, the perception is that it wasn't on purpose.
It's all about image and perception.
Belkira wrote:
But you're right, Alma. They don't discharge people because they're gay. That would be silly.
Yes, Belkira, because on the Internet you're going to find testimonies of obvious gay people serving the unit and NOT being discharged. Again, what unit do you serve in? How long have you been in the military? What vets do you know that supports your claim?
I'm pretty sure you searched "Gays being kicked out of the military" or something to that extent. WTF do you imagine to find, articles stating exactly that. Biased research is biased. So according to you there are no homosexuals serving the military that are obviously gay and aren't pending chapter work.
Homosexuals have been discharged for simply being homosexual, especially before DADT, but as the military evolves with society, that is less the case.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02/03/arguing-about-gays-in-the-military-it-s-so-over/ wrote:
Now those kids are swarming into the military, bringing their attitudes with them. Just last week, when I was living with 82nd Airborne Division troopers in Haiti, several soldiers mentioned in the course of conversation that they have friends who happen to be gay, including some in the military. (About 66,000 gays and lesbians currently serve in uniform, estimates Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.)
I am sure there are exceptions. But in the 82nd Airborne and other units I've lived with, in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere, it has become clear that gays and lesbians not only serve, but that their sexual orientation is unremarkable.
The contrast of that attitude with older generations came into sharp focus Tuesday when Republican Sen. John McCain, arguing against repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell'' law, brandished a letter signed by "over one thousand retired general and flag officers'' united against allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly. Indeed, opposition to gays and lesbians serving in the military seems to come mostly from those who are no longer serving in the military, or from those who never have. And the sentiment against gays has always seemed strongest in the U.S. Navy, perhaps because of the close quarters at sea -- and perhaps because its culture can be hidebound.
Yet another testimony that agrees with me.. Give up Belkira, you're just making stuff up. You never served in the military, you probably don't know anyone in person who served the military, probably never been on a military post before, you absolutely have no idea what you're talking about.
Q wrote:
Opposed to your years of research on the topic?
If this is really the case, JUST USE A @#%^ING SOURCE AND GET ON WITH IT. Show us the way, in proper form. If not, just admit that you like to argue and aren't going anywhere with it.
Read above. Yes, my years of research has been my years in the military, i.e. personal experience. Of course it isn't academic, but it's still the truth that any vet can agree to.
