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#1902 Sep 13 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good

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Almalieque wrote:

Well once you stop comparing a sexuality with your sex or skin color, you'll realize the difference in the three scenarios.

I doubt that.

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Homosexuals are allowed to serve the military, they just can't be open about it. Unfair? Guess what, you also can't participate in Oral/**** sex with your own spouse in your own bedroom. You can do it all day long, you just can't tell anybody or you can get the same punishment as a homosexual.

Well, let's get rid of that, too. What right does the military have to tell you what sex acts you can perform? That's pretty fucked up right there.

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I've yet hear anyone complaining about the other sexual restrictions in the military. They all fall under the "Don't ask Don't Tell" concept but for some reason only homosexuality is mentioned. IMO, this isn't about tolerating homosexuality, but a push for society to accept homosexuality.

You really can't see how not having oral sex in the privacy of your home is different and, while still messed up, not on the same scale as not being able to talk about your loved one or hold their hand in public without losing your place in the military? Because if not, that's just pathetic, man.

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Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Jophiel wrote:

Almalieque wrote:

Guess what, you also can't participate in Oral/**** sex with your own spouse in your own bedroom. You can do it all day long, you just can't tell anybody or you can get the same punishment as a homosexual.

I've yet hear anyone complaining about the other sexual restrictions in the military.

I was unaware of that rule (I'm assuming for sake of argument that it's true) and think it's a completely stupid rule without any particular merit to uphold.

So there ya go.

Alma is apparently posting from the 1970's from before sodomy laws were repealed.

Uniform Code of Military Justice wrote:

ART. 125. SODOMY

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

No, he's posting from the military who have innumerable laws and rules that are odd, and in several cases unconstitutional, in cililian life.

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Almalieque wrote:

Well once you stop comparing a sexuality with your sex or skin color, you'll realize the difference in the three scenarios. Homosexuals are allowed to serve the military, they just can't be open about it. Unfair?

Yes

Almalieque wrote:

Guess what, you also can't participate in Oral/**** sex with your own spouse in your own bedroom. You can do it all day long, you just can't tell anybody or you can get the same punishment as a homosexual.

Where this still exists, it is a hopelessly stupid and completely outdated law and should be repealed.[/quote]

Almalieque wrote:

I've yet hear anyone complaining about the other sexual restrictions in the military. They all fall under the "Don't ask Don't Tell" concept but for some reason only homosexuality is mentioned. IMO, this isn't about tolerating homosexuality, but a push for society to accept homosexuality.

It's about acceptance of existence, and tolerance of live-and-let-live and tolerance of working with.

Soldiers don't have to like or approve of each other. They don't have to like their commanding officers, or their inferiors in the chain of command. They don't have to like their commands. They just have to work together to get the job done, and be fair to each other according to the rules.

That's all that open homosexuals in the military are about. The statement that they are worthy enough human beings to get a job done with. Someone you can trust your life with, trust the defence of your country to. You don't have to like or approve of anything else about them or their behaviour. Just that a homosexual is a good enough human being to be a good enough soldier.

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I'd just like to say two things:

1) This thread is clearly on its way to 40 pages now; and
2) Thumb's 10k title is great.

#1906 Sep 13 2010 at 7:10 PM Rating: Default

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MDenham wrote:

I'd just like to say two things:

1) This thread is clearly on its way to 40 pages now; and
2) Thumb's 10k title is great.

You guys needed some help to 40. Anyway posting from my phone. Ill address the other posts later.

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Almalieque wrote:

MDenham wrote:

I'd just like to say two things:

1) This thread is clearly on its way to 40 pages now; and
2) Thumb's 10k title is great.

You guys needed some help to 40. Anyway posting from my phone. Ill address the other posts later.

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Dammit, Bell, I was going to quietly cross the line and see how long it took for someone to notice. I was almost positive that burying my 10K in this thread was going to ensure no one noticing for awhile!

I'm observant. Smiley: grin

Is this gonna be Thumb's 10k thread?

Smiley: grin

Grats!

Yup, I guess so.

Dear Thumbelyna,

You are full of awesome. Perfect example of the assylum functioning as intended: no thread on this forum could not benefit from some discussion of Thumb's lack of gag reflex. It is like cow bell to songs. Or double rainbows to the sky.

And every time I choose not to reply to gbaji over some technical point, I instead think of the better ways I could be spending my time. You can see where I'm going. Anyhow, virtually all of you get me there.

And I am grateful for that.

Thank you.

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#1911 Almalieque, Posted: Sep 14 2010 at 6:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I understand the difference. My point is that you fail to realize that homosexuality isn't being pinpointed here. There are tons of single females in the military that I'm not allowed to hold hands with in public and would get in the same trouble as two guys holding hands. Matter of fact, I would argue that I can't hold hands with more than 75% of the single females in the military. This is my point, this isn't about homosexuality, it's about an image that the military created for their servicemen to follow.

#1912 Sep 14 2010 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good

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The military isn't divided by heterosexual/homosexual

In a way, DADT is exactly that. You have a remarkably self-serving view of equality. Smiley: rolleyes

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#1913 Sep 14 2010 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent

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Almalieque wrote:

One of the biggest gripes from ~~military vets~~ gays is people who have no idea about ~~the military~~ gays giving advice to or governing ~~the military~~ gays.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 8:05pm by Bardalicious

#1914 Sep 14 2010 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good

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Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Almalieque wrote:

One of the biggest gripes from ~~military vets~~ gays is people who have no idea about ~~the military~~ gays giving advice to or governing ~~the military~~ gays.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 8:05pm by Bardalicious

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Almalieque wrote:

From Basic Training (or equivalent), you are taught that you are no longer an individual, but a member of a team with one common goal. Further more, the person on your left and on your right are your equals (especially of the same rank). The military isn't divided by heterosexual/homosexual, but numerous of conflicting personalities and backgrounds that all come together and work as a team. You see this during training exercises and during real combat missions. This is nothing more than people pretending that it's all about homosexuals because they don't know any better.

What the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is about, is not about the nonsense you stated, but about an image that each service has created that they believe is what best represents the military. If you fail at doing your job in the military, that usually means either more training or a new job in the military. If you just perceive to be out of character from their image, then you can get discharged.

That's the thing. People of all races, cultures, backgrounds and religious beliefs are openly taken into the military, and then expected to become a member of the team with a common goal, equals on your left and right. Each individual is expected to give up a lot of personal freedoms, and conform to the military look, behavior, and way, in order to more helpfully serve the common good.

EXCEPT the gays. Gays aren't officially accepted to be seen to be taken in, become part of the team, and conform with everyone else. They are supposed to hide one of the most fundamental, basic parts of who they are as an individual. Gays don't want special treatment once they are in. They expect to obey all the military rules that everyone else does. They just want to be taken in and not have to hide who they are. Other people don't have to hide their religion or culture or sex while still fitting into the military box.

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Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Alma is ~~apparently posting from the 1970's from before sodomy laws were repealed.~~ an idiot

Don't mind me. I'm just here, doing my part to simplify things.

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Almalieque wrote:

Read my first response above. The simple fact that people still don't know about the sodomy laws in the military, but are still fighting against don't ask don't tell is evidence of forcing acceptance of homosexuality. You completely bypassed the other 99% of similar scenarios just to focus on one as if it is somehow more special.

If only sexuality and sexual relations were the same thing. :(

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BrownDuck wrote:

Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Alma is ~~apparently posting from the 1970's from before sodomy laws were repealed.~~ an idiot

Don't mind me. I'm just here, doing my part to simplify things.

Good job Sir!

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#1919 Sep 14 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Good

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Demea wrote:

Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Almalieque wrote:

One of the biggest gripes from ~~military vets~~ gays is people who have no idea about ~~the military~~ gays giving advice to or governing ~~the military~~ gays.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 8:05pm by Bardalicious

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Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Demea wrote:

Lady Bardalicious wrote:

Almalieque wrote:

One of the biggest gripes from ~~military vets~~ gays is people who have no idea about ~~the military~~ gays giving advice to or governing ~~the military~~ gays.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 8:05pm by Bardalicious

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12 is my favorite number.

Mine is 39.

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#1921 Sep 14 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Excellent

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Almalieque wrote:

There are tons of single females in the military that I'm not allowed to hold hands with in public and would get in the same trouble as two guys holding hands.

Just to be clear though: You could talk to your commanding officer conversationally and say "Boy, I sure do like women. They're swell. I'd like to hold their hand and get married to one of those women someday. We could even share a marital bed together. Wouldn't that just be grand?" without getting thrown out of the military for it, yes? But substituting "men" for "women" wouldn't be quite so kosher, correct? That's really sort of the whole point of "Don't tell" -- you're not even to speak of your sexuality?

So why are we trying to make this about whose hand you can hold?

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#1922 Almalieque, Posted: Sep 15 2010 at 6:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First, Belkira was trying to make this a "holding hand thing". I just replied that I can't hold hands with most of the females in the military.

#1923 Sep 15 2010 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good

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Have another go at the wheel, Pat.

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#1924 Sep 15 2010 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good

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The bans on oral and **** sex are completely anachronistic holdovers that really need to go, too.

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Almalieque wrote:

Second, no one can freely talk about their sexuality without getting in trouble.

Really? Honestly? You can't tell anyone that you're married? You can't mention your girlfriend? Your fiancee? You can't say the cashier you guys saw at McDonald's was cute?

Really? Or else you get in trouble? How about if you mention your "life partner" Jim? Or your boyfriend? Or that the male cashier you saw at McDonald's was cute? Those are all exactly the same, huh?

You realize no one believes this, right?

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#1926 Sep 15 2010 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good

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Alma wrote:

No sir, I actually go out with my NCOs and shop all of the time!!!"

That's pretty gay, dude.

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