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#1252 Aug 19 2010 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
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Kavekk wrote:
Surely you must realise, no matter what you think of your intellectual abilities, that no one here considers you a threat? It's part of the reason they'll argue with you so readily.


Of course I realized that, if they considered me a threat, that would mean that they are wrong, which means we would agree and not argue. Thanks for stating the obvious.

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Not really. Being internally consistent doesn't make something good - I can come up with a logically sound ethical system where human life has no inherent value whatsoever. Logic is not subjective, but the first principles that you logically derive an ethical system from are. If someone goes around killing people, I'll call them a murderous ******* whether they can justify it to themselves or not.


That sounds nice, but it doesn't represent the reality. In some cases,ethics are more objective than subjective, but over all, many are indeed subjective as previously stated. The country is divided on many of these topics and it shows during certain political shift changes.

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Get over yourself, get out of high school. What's frustrating is not your stubbornness, it's your stupidity.


I'm not stuck on myself, I'm simply stating the truth.

Recently a poster told me to "go away".

Another poster replied saying to "just ignore him and he'll go away".

I responded with "I've been saying that the whole time, I only respond to posts".

Another poster said, "well it's better to argue with someone like you than to be silent."

I responded with "So, what's the problem?".

The only "stupidity" that anyone has chosen is my bad writing/grammar on posts. Not only did I admit to that, it has nothing to do with the actual argument.

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Yea, that's kinda how it works...


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Heh. It's always the goofballs who tell the "Oh, I sort of just belonged to every clique in high school..." stories.


I didn't belong to every group, I just fit in. In other words, I could show up to a certain group of people and people wouldn't ask why I was there. As mentioned, even still, I didn't interact with them as the people truly in the circle. People knew of me, but really didn't know me

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No, you're just misunderstanding both your link and what other people are saying. I wouldn't worry about it though.


Really,quote one of those ethics that I "misunderstood" and explain why my interpretation is wrong. Of course you wont do it, because you can't. Those rules are pretty easy to understand.

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You've got to admire that steely determination to ignore facts, ladies and gentlemen. How about a big round of applause for the most useless waste of carbon ever?

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What facts? Are you implying that there is something less than zero on a scale of 0-100? And you all tell me to read a book?! lol
#1253 Aug 19 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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No I won't because I've been down that road before. You have decided how things happen, and reality isn't going to change that. Your whole constitution and reviewing of every law bit showed that pretty clearly. Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better though.
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#1254 Aug 19 2010 at 9:50 PM Rating: Good
dear god it's page 26
#1255Almalieque, Posted: Aug 19 2010 at 10:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Here's the thing. If you disagree with what I'm saying, that's cool. There's no need for you to come 23 pages later and add absolutely nothing to the debate but insults of me. I don't know you nor did I know the information that was later told to me. Even still, all of that is irrelevant to the concept of insulting each other.
#1256 Aug 19 2010 at 10:26 PM Rating: Default
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No I won't because I've been down that road before. You have decided how things happen, and reality isn't going to change that. Your whole constitution and reviewing of every law bit showed that pretty clearly. Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better though.


That's a cop out because you never attempted to explain how the concept of the constitution was wrong in the first place, all you said was "obviously you're wrong". The fact that you're still here pages after the fact arguing with me proves that it isn't my "stubbornness to understand", but your failure to admit. Else you would have stopped arguing with me a long time ago.

Here I'll help you and re-quote some of them for you

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65. In a criminal case, an attorney may withdraw from defending a client only if his or her professional conscience does not let him or her carry out the task.

70. An attorney shall not defend or free his or her defendant from guilt in such a way as to shift the blame to other co-defendants, or increase their guilt in order to decrease the guilt of his or her defendant. An attorney may do that only if, in his or her justified opinion, the defendant is not guilty and this cannot be proven in any other way except by proving the guilt of a co-defendant. Such evidence must correspond to the facts.

72. In his or her legal presentations and conclusions, a defending attorney is not bound by the instructions received from the client regarding legal matters. The defending attorney shall have the obligation to abide by the instruction received from the defendant concerning facts only.


They seem fairly clear to me? What other interpretation do you have? Bottom line is, as a private lawyer, if you can't agree to my terms prior to me accepting the case, then I don't have to represent you. If you don't like it, find another lawyer.
#1257 Aug 20 2010 at 12:19 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm just going to leave this here.

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#1258 Aug 20 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kaelesh wrote:
Almalique wrote:
Either way, I couldn't care less about others opinions..



Could care less, could care less.


It's "couldn't care less."

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 4:09am by Eske
#1259 Aug 20 2010 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest, I'm just shocked that Alma hasn't been set to unrated yet, and even more shockingly, some of their posts I come across start off as decent. Someone is actually rating alma up? <_<;
#1260 Aug 20 2010 at 5:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't posted on this page yet. So, there's my post.
#1261 Aug 20 2010 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
Almalique wrote:
Either way, I couldn't care less about others opinions..



Could care less, could care less.


It's "couldn't care less."

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 4:09am by Eske
Does Alma care at all? If so, then he could care less. If not, then he couldn't care less.





Edited, Aug 20th 2010 3:33pm by Elinda
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#1262 Aug 20 2010 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just going to leave this here.

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#1263Almalieque, Posted: Aug 20 2010 at 7:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm actually surprised that my posts start off as decent as well. My rating has to be close to zero by now......
#1264 Aug 20 2010 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
Almalieque wrote:
Eske, Star Breaker wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
Almalique wrote:
Either way, I couldn't care less about others opinions..
Could care less, could care less.


It's "couldn't care less."

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 4:09am by Eske


Thank you. Funny thing is, I'm sure you're not the only one who knew that, just the only one who would say anything..


Yeah, because it's pretty obvious that Kaelesh knows that and is fucking with you because you ***** it up all the time.
#1265 Aug 20 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
Actually, I assumed Kaelesh was ******** with him because Alma does in fact care a great deal, not due to his repeated failure in the utilization of colloquialisms.
#1266 Aug 20 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
Almalieque wrote:
EC wrote:
As anyone who has tried to have a reasonable argument with tin foil hat folks, know from the start trying to explain truth to someone, who is assured they are right no matter how illogical their arguments are.


Except I've admitted to several things in this thread alone. 25 pages and not a single person else has, even though the evidence is in their face. So, I seriously doubt that I'm the one you speak of about self-assuring correctness.


On page 23 I wrote:
Edit: Apparently I'm wrong about the "without a judge involved" part. My mistake!


Like I said before, people admit when they're wrong on here all the time. You just don't notice or choose to remember.
#1267 Aug 20 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
Well, it's kind of both. His inability provides the method, his caring the motive.
#1268 Aug 20 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, I assumed Kaelesh was ******** with him because Alma does in fact care a great deal, not due to his repeated failure in the utilization of colloquialisms.


I literally have nothing else to do here today. Just like every other day this week.
#1269 Aug 20 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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#1270 Aug 20 2010 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Your post count doesn't get to 50K by itself?
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#1271 Aug 20 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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#1272 Aug 20 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
EC wrote:
As anyone who has tried to have a reasonable argument with tin foil hat folks, know from the start trying to explain truth to someone, who is assured they are right no matter how illogical their arguments are.


Except I've admitted to several things in this thread alone. 25 pages and not a single person else has, even though the evidence is in their face. So, I seriously doubt that I'm the one you speak of about self-assuring correctness.


On page 23 I wrote:
Edit: Apparently I'm wrong about the "without a judge involved" part. My mistake!


Like I said before, people admit when they're wrong on here all the time. You just don't notice or choose to remember.


I see, you did. My mistake, but I was referring to people I was actually arguing with. We weren't debating anything when you said that. We both were asking questions, you gave an answer and corrected yourself before anyone said anything. Yes, it "counts", but it wasn't what I meant. I'm talking about someone actually admitting that they are wrong to me, Gbjai or someone of opposition. I've yet seen that happened. Mostly in regards to me, since I don't follow other posters.
#1273 Aug 20 2010 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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I see, you did. My mistake, but I was referring to people I was actually arguing with. We weren't debating anything when you said that. We both were asking questions, you gave an answer and corrected yourself before anyone said anything. Yes, it "counts", but it wasn't what I meant. I'm talking about someone actually admitting that they are wrong to me, Gbjai or someone of opposition. I've yet seen that happened. Mostly in regards to me, since I don't follow other posters.


I'm wrong all the time. And I admit it. I don't engage with you as much (for the reasons I stated earlier) but I know I've said, "Oops, thanks for clearing that up" or something to that effect to Gbaji and other people I've been in disagreements or whatever with.

I very, very rarely see you admit to being wrong on things relative to the discussion. Maybe some of the little side trips, but usually I see, "Ok, I was wrong about that, but..."

ETA: Also, you said "even when the evidence is in their face." I have not seen you show any real evidence of anything here.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 10:37am by Belkira
#1274 Aug 20 2010 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
I see, you did. My mistake, but I was referring to people I was actually arguing with. We weren't debating anything when you said that. We both were asking questions, you gave an answer and corrected yourself before anyone said anything. Yes, it "counts", but it wasn't what I meant. I'm talking about someone actually admitting that they are wrong to me, Gbjai or someone of opposition. I've yet seen that happened. Mostly in regards to me, since I don't follow other posters.


I'm wrong all the time. And I admit it. I don't engage with you as much (for the reasons I stated earlier) but I know I've said, "Oops, thanks for clearing that up" or something to that effect to Gbaji and other people I've been in disagreements or whatever with.

I very, very rarely see you admit to being wrong on things relative to the discussion. Maybe some of the little side trips, but usually I see, "Ok, I was wrong about that, but..."

ETA: Also, you said "even when the evidence is in their face." I have not seen you show any real evidence of anything here.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 10:37am by Belkira


Belkira,

I believe you, you don't seem like a troll bot as the others.

As for the evidence, there were plenty.

I mathematically shown that BT's statement did indeed call everyone outside of allakhazam stupid when him and another poster claimed that it was only calling me stupid.

I was told that I would be an unethical lawyer based on my views, yet I posted the ethics code which clearly stated otherwise.

It was argued that there was really no point where the government "got involved" in marriage because marriage was always common law that carried over from years and years of traditions. Posters argued that there was no one event after the revolution when the US evaluated their rights and laws. I responded with the U.S constitution, more importantly the Bill of Rights. Their response was "you know Zero about your history". I could have sworn your argument was to fight for the "right" to get married. I guess that was a different kind of right, huh?

You, yourself, argued that "love" was the deciding factor of a sham marriage, yet all of your sources left out that word. I argued that it wasn't love, but fulfilling the marriage role and your own definition supported that by saying something similar to "living as husband and wife".

When I asked you if you would support mandated divorces for loveless marriages since that would make them sham marriages, you responded that you were only referring to people entering a marriage. I later pointed out that your own definition of "sham marriage" used the word "intends" which is future tense. This is because traditional couples do not interact the same way before marriage as they do when they get married. You failed to address that.

Seriously, I can go on and on. The truth of the matter is, people don't like me and partly because of that, they refuse to acknowledge being proven wrong in anything.
#1275 Aug 20 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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It was argued that there was really no point where the government "got involved" in marriage because marriage was always common law that carried over from years and years of traditions. Posters argued that there was no one event after the revolution when the US evaluated their rights and laws. I responded with the U.S constitution, more importantly the Bill of Rights. Their response was "you know Zero about your history". I could have sworn your argument was to fight for the "right" to get married. I guess that was a different kind of right, huh?
No that one was responded to, and you decided to ignore it. It was explained how the US didn't actually do a detailed review of all the common law that existed, but you insist this happened. In the face of willful ignorance, people are just going to give up. It was also clearly explained that gay marriage wasn't at this point banned, but you ignored that too.

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I was told that I would be an unethical lawyer based on my views, yet I posted the ethics code which clearly stated otherwise.
You were actually pretty good with this, in that you admitted early on that you weren't aware of some of the rules around this. However you seemed to argue that personally you'd still feel troubled to represent someone you found out was guilty. People tried to explain how the right to a good defense was what made a "good" lawyer rather then only defending innocent people, but you just brushed them away. Now I'll admit here, that with your tendency to argue side points, it's often hard to figure out your core position, so it could be you were just being misunderstood, as at first you seemed to get it before straying away.

Edited, Aug 20th 2010 11:26am by Xsarus
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Posters argued that there was no one event after the revolution when the US evaluated their rights and laws. I responded with the U.S constitution, more importantly the Bill of Rights. Their response was "you know Zero about your history".

Because that was a poor answer and no one really wanted to start at the ground level of explaining why.

The Constitution provided a framework for the federal government and a set of parameters laws in the nation would have to fall within. It did not represent a throwing out, or even a mass re-examination, of the thousands of existing state and local laws which were effectively grandfathered in from the period of British Colonial rule. More to the point, it did not represent any re-evaluation of the purpose of government's role in marriage. Claiming otherwise would require more extraordinary evidence than "We have a constitution".
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