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#27 Aug 04 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
For some reason, my husband and I were talking about this the other night and he said he read an article (I can't remember where) that said that the "custody almost always goes to the mother" thing has become largly a myth. That it's split pretty evenly now.

#28 Aug 04 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
For some reason, my husband and I were talking about this the other night and he said he read an article (I can't remember where) that said that the "custody almost always goes to the mother" thing has become largly a myth. That it's split pretty evenly now.



Yeah, that's a myth for the most part. It only used to be almost an automatic award of children to the mother simply because a few decades ago, the mother stayed home while the father worked outside of the home. By default, the mother was the primary caregiver for the children.

The court tends to award physical custody to whoever is the primary caregiver for the children. If Ray and I split up, he would probably get physical custody because his work hours allows him to be home in the afternoons with the kids while I am still working. There are a lot of other factors the court takes into consideration, but who spends the most time with the kids is the biggest.
#29 Aug 04 2010 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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Is there no way for a person to get a divorce without the partner's consent?
Kill the spouse and hide the body well.

That's not a divorce, silly! That's "'til death do us part!"
Which has another thread.

It's a much simpler process, though.
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#30 Aug 04 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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I saw an article on this in the NYT's. It makes sense if someways, since divorce is just about the fastest way for women and children to join the ranks of poor in the USA, but I found myself far better off divorce. Just knowing he can't hold any power over me now that are kids are grown up is a blessing each day.

One thing I don't understand - and I probably asked this before - why do the children automatically go to the mother? What if, say, the mother being a lazy deabeat is the cause?
They aren't. I went to my dad after my parents' divorce.
#31 Aug 05 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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For instance say you put your wife through college and sacrifice a lot of time and energy in the process and then she decides she's going to leave the day after she graduates. Don't you think she should be held accountable in some way?


And she can be. Allimony.
#32 Aug 05 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Decent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
For instance say you put your wife through college and sacrifice a lot of time and energy in the process and then she decides she's going to leave the day after she graduates. Don't you think she should be held accountable in some way?


And she can be. Allimony.


I've never heard of a single divorced husband receiving alimony from his wife, and outside of the realm of celebrityism, I'm not sure it's ever happened.
#33 Aug 05 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
For instance say you put your wife through college and sacrifice a lot of time and energy in the process and then she decides she's going to leave the day after she graduates. Don't you think she should be held accountable in some way?


And she can be. Allimony.


I've never heard of a single divorced husband receiving alimony from his wife, and outside of the realm of celebrityism, I'm not sure it's ever happened.
Typically, alimony is paid by the breadwinner. More often than not, that's the father. But when it is the mother, she pays out the *** too.
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#34 Aug 05 2010 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I know of one couple where the ex-wife pays both alimony and child support. He was a stay-at-home dad. I guess technically he still is. Smiley: laugh

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#35 Aug 05 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I've never heard of a single divorced husband receiving alimony from his wife, and outside of the realm of celebrityism, I'm not sure it's ever happened.


Well grow the fuck up and join the rest of the adults.
#36 Aug 05 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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I can see money being the big issue here, as mentioned it can cost quite a bit to go through the courts, not to mention the time to split the assets if any.

My parents got an un-divorce I guess. Ok not really I came home one day to find my father crying on floor, clutching a dear-john letter from my mom. They never did any legal filing though, what my mother left with she kept. I stayed with my dad for many years, but with his heart condition causing me to be the primary care-taker of our house I left after a few years and moved to a small town with my mother so I could actually finish school.

Now my dad did date again, and his girlfriend at that time was very keen on him filing papers at some day, even though he stated he didn't want to get married again (which is good I suppose, they would have been married for a mere 5 years before he died).

Perhaps if there was something like this at that time they could have gone through with it.
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#37 Aug 05 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
For instance say you put your wife through college and sacrifice a lot of time and energy in the process and then she decides she's going to leave the day after she graduates. Don't you think she should be held accountable in some way?


And she can be. Allimony.


I've never heard of a single divorced husband receiving alimony from his wife, and outside of the realm of celebrityism, I'm not sure it's ever happened.


It's only happened once that I can think of in all my dealings. Wife was the one going through medical school, husband was a teacher. The were married after college but before medical school/teaching credentials were started. Her earning power was obviously larger than his and she had to pay support. It was for a rather short time, if I remember correctly.

Statistically, men still make more money than women, hence you rarely see the wife paying spousal support.

As pay catches up and equalizes between the genders, I see this falling by the wayside.
#38 Aug 05 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
Absurdly absolutist statements aside, there is an element of bias to child custody; it's the same set of biases that normally harm women and are, regardless of whichever specific sociological impact you're discussing, pretty offensive in their own right.

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For some reason, my husband and I were talking about this the other night and he said he read an article (I can't remember where) that said that the "custody almost always goes to the mother" thing has become largly a myth. That it's split pretty evenly now.


The only recent US stats I could find from a quick google search disagree strongly with this:

Resulting from trial or evaluation: wrote:
Sole Custody (Mother): 44%
Sole Custody (Father): 11%
Joint Custody: 40%
Other: 5%


Source.
#39 Aug 05 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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For some reason, my husband and I were talking about this the other night and he said he read an article (I can't remember where) that said that the "custody almost always goes to the mother" thing has become largly a myth. That it's split pretty evenly now.


The only recent US stats I could find from a quick google search disagree strongly with this:

Resulting from trial or evaluation: wrote:
Sole Custody (Mother): 44%
Sole Custody (Father): 11%
Joint Custody: 40%
Other: 5%


Source.


Unfortunately, I can't really argue with you, 'cause I have on idea where he read it. Smiley: lol

#40 Aug 06 2010 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
ElneClare wrote:
I saw an article on this in the NYT's. It makes sense if someways, since divorce is just about the fastest way for women and children to join the ranks of poor in the USA, but I found myself far better off divorce. Just knowing he can't hold any power over me now that are kids are grown up is a blessing each day.

One thing I don't understand - and I probably asked this before - why do the children automatically go to the mother? What if, say, the mother being a lazy deabeat is the cause?


Mom:
Cheated on dad for two years
Would leave us home alone while he was working at night
Got surprise drug test in court she failed
Tried to commit suicide when the custody battle fell out of her favor

Dad:
80% earner, no infidelity, and the drug test was his lawyer's idea so he stopped smoking pot for a month so we wouldn't have to go live with a methfreak. My dad had custody of me from 12-18 and my sister from 11-15, although she got farmed off to mom when she turned out just like her.

From what I remember, even 12 years ago, the judge noted how hard it was to my father to take custody away from the mother, but he knew it was obviously the better option. He had to cut a good deal with her to get her to stop fighting, though: No child support (well, $1/year that she never paid), and she gets half of his 401k when he retires. They filed for bankruptcy soon before their divorce so there were really no assets to throw around but us (and his retirement), and my dad ended up getting the short end of the stick anyway.

My mother spent more time with us for sure, but being her being tweaked and making us hang out with her boyfriend and lie to my dad about it afterward wasn't really "quality". I hope it really wasn't that weighty of a decision for the judge, because if he would have given us to our mother by default I really would be a stripper with coke lines down my *** and married to Barkingturtle.
#41 Aug 06 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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I really would be a stripper with coke lines down my *** and married to Barkingturtle.


Smiley: lol

I really did miss you guys when I've had to work and couldn't even lurk.
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
The only recent US stats I could find from a quick google search disagree strongly with this:
Resulting from trial or evaluation: wrote:
Sole Custody (Mother): 44%
Sole Custody (Father): 11%
Joint Custody: 40%
Other: 5%

I'm not trying to argue because I assume most custody cases do split towards the mother although I suspect this is more due to apathy on the part of the father than bias against fathers who actually try. However, the joint custody number seems vague. For example, I have "primary physical custody" of my son in what is technically a joint custody arrangement (despite her having not seen him in going on over two years now). Plenty of joint custody arrangements still have a primary custodial parent, the main difference being that you need to contact the other parent for major events such as changing addresses or major elective surgery on the child or something.
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#43 Aug 06 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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There's generally a difference between joint and legal custody.

Legal custody is usually awarded to both parents where they have to make joint decisions on major decisions such as school, medical, etc. Generally, the parent with physical custody usually makes those decisions anyways and the other parent goes along with it.

Joint custody could also mean where the kids go week to week or some other arrangement where the parents split all costs and child support isn't paid at all. This is the arrangement that most courts try to go for since it encourages a stable family situation if all parties are amicable and friendly (Bruce Willis and Demi Moore are always held as the top example of this).
#44 Aug 06 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
Kaelesh wrote:
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I've never heard of a single divorced husband receiving alimony from his wife, and outside of the realm of celebrityism, I'm not sure it's ever happened.


Well grow the fuck up and join the rest of the adults.


What the hell does this even mean? Smiley: lol
#45 Aug 06 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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What the hell does this even mean? Smiley: lol


You joining the rest of world outside your bubble of ignorance. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
#46 Aug 06 2010 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
Kaelesh wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
What the hell does this even mean? Smiley: lol


You joining the rest of world outside your bubble of ignorance. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


Didn't say it didn't happen. Just said I wasn't sure. Also, one can be ignorant and be an adult at the same time. You should know this.
#47 Aug 06 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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Also, one can be ignorant and be an adult at the same time. You should know this.


True. I've been dealing with your dumb *** for years, haven't I?
#48 Aug 06 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
Kaelesh wrote:
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Also, one can be ignorant and be an adult at the same time. You should know this.


True. I've been dealing with your dumb *** for years, haven't I?


Has it been that long? I guess I just don't think highly enough of our conversations to remember.
#49 Aug 06 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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Just go get a hotel room and get it over with. You're sucking my thread up. Sheesh.
#50 Aug 06 2010 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
Just go get a hotel room and get it over with. You're sucking my thread up. Sheesh.


They're in the middle of an un-divorce.
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#51 Aug 06 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Just go get a hotel room and get it over with. You're sucking my thread up. Sheesh.


They're in the middle of an un-divorce.


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