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#127ThiefX, Posted: Aug 02 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And it's been explained to you 3 times now and you have yet to get it.
#128 Aug 02 2010 at 11:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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And even if you don't agree with her this judge does. Link

Again, you don't seem to understand what that judge ruled on today. Do you need Joph to explain it to you?
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#129 Aug 02 2010 at 11:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well that's a given.
ah, so you agree with Belkira then. You seem pretty confused Thief.
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That's what three tries now? You're worse then varrus, although he'd have changed the topic after the first one


And it's been explained to you 3 times now and you have yet to get it.
Smiley: lol no I'm pretty sure I've gotten the fact that you're ignoring the actual question each and every time. No worries though, I didn't really expect anything from you aside from meaningless vitriol. Make sure and let me know if you ever want to have a real conversation. Smiley: laugh
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#130 Aug 02 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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They stop you from beating or starving your kid. You can't take people's stuff. You can't take people's money.
Yup. Still all preventing you from infringing a right held by someone else (life, and property respectively).


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The degree to which said taxes pay for things which protect our rights is the measuring stick we should use though. A military protects our rights. Police forces protect our rights. Other things are really just benefits.
Wouldn't you say that the government providing healthcare for everyone is a part of protecting your right to (a healthy) life?
And I'd say that healthcare does a lot more to protect your right to life than the military has done for quite some time.
#131 Aug 03 2010 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, all the judge said is that they're allowed to proceed on the merits of the lawsuit, which just means the lawyers actually 1. worded the lawsuit correctly and 2. presented a coherent, logical argument. The judge has issued no statement that their suit is going to win, the judge merely said that the formal request from the Feds to dismiss the case outright has been denied, and we should let ANOTHER judge actually analyze the case and make a decision. In other words, "Let's listen to what they have to say."

Well, they got farther than Orly Taitz ever did with her birther lawsuits, most of which never made it past that stage.
#132 Aug 03 2010 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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Well, they got farther than Orly Taitz ever did with her birther lawsuits, most of which never made it past that stage.
Just you watch! The birther case will hit SCOTUS by fall of 2009 AT THE LATEST!!!
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#133 Aug 03 2010 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
Samy,

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I'll certainly look askance at anything Breitbart posts after the recent shenanigans


You didn't before?

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Eh, I looked at it the same way as I do Drudge: assuming the headline has little to do with the whole story and minor items will be sensationalized. Now I just start out assuming anything on Breitbart is probably a forgery.
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#135 Aug 03 2010 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
Aethia,

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Wouldn't you say that the government providing healthcare for everyone is a part of protecting your right to (a healthy) life?


While we're "protecting" the citizens right to a healthy life let's outlaw and jail anyone who sells anything that could be deemed harmful. We'll start with alcohol and move on to fast foods from there. I'm sure with enough social engineering we can create the perfect race of humans free from all disease. Who knows by doing this perhaps we'll even manage to extend the life expectancy 100yrs or so. Sounds like a great plan, glad you and your buddies thought of it.


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And I'd say that healthcare does a lot more to protect your right to life than the military has done for quite some time


Smiley: lol

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 9:38am by knoxxsouthy

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 9:43am by knoxxsouthy
#136 Aug 03 2010 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
While we're "protecting" the citizens right to a healthy life let's outlaw and jail anyone who sells anything that could be deemed harmful. We'll start with alcohol and move on to fast foods from there. I'm sure with enough social engineering we can create the perfect race of humans free from all disease. Who knows by doing this perhaps we'll even manage to extend the life expectancy 100yrs or so. Sound like a great plan, glad you and your buddies thought of it.
Brilliant! Count me in.
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Aethien wrote:
Wouldn't you say that the government providing healthcare for everyone is a part of protecting your right to (a healthy) life?
And I'd say that healthcare does a lot more to protect your right to life than the military has done for quite some time.


I have a different perspective. It's like motorcycle helmet laws, or car insurance requirements. They act to protect others from having to pay for the results of the driver's carelessness or misfortune. I agree that there is some infringement on the individual's rights, and that is regrettable; but I have no interest in paying for life support for someone who failed to take precautions on his own.

I'm not delusional enough to think that I'm not going to have to pay for others' health care, one way or the other.
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#138 Aug 03 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, she asked how these laws didn't interfere with your private life. They all do of course. They might be great laws with good justifications, but they certainly interfere with your private life, which is why it's an absurd criticism to make.


Well that's a given.


Good lord, you're a moron.

This whole fucking thread is about how the Democrat in the video was "caught on tape" saying something absurd. What he said was, "The constitution doesn't really prevent the government from making 'rules' that interfere in how you live your private life."

My question to the simpletons "Conservatives" on this board is, "HOW WAS HE WRONG?"

And not one of you can tell me how he is wrong. You can go on and on about why you think laws against killing people are A-OK, but this isn't, but you can't answer a simple question.

Really the whole video is a woman comparing the healthcare reform to slavery, and asking the Democrat at the town hall meeting, "If the government can do this, than what else can the government to do interfere in our private lives?!?! OMGWTFBBQKITTENS!!!" To which he answers her with, "Um, the constitution really doesn't stop them from doing that..."

Then Breitbart gets his panties wet, and posts the video with the caption of, "Democrat says government can do anything!!11oneoneeleven"

Do you maybe understand the whole point of me asking how he was wrong now...?

Jesus, it's like talking to a four year old.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 9:15am by Belkira
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Aethia,

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Wouldn't you say that the government providing healthcare for everyone is a part of protecting your right to (a healthy) life?


While we're "protecting" the citizens right to a healthy life let's outlaw and jail anyone who sells anything that could be deemed harmful. We'll start with alcohol and move on to fast foods from there. I'm sure with enough social engineering we can create the perfect race of humans free from all disease. Who knows by doing this perhaps we'll even manage to extend the life expectancy 100yrs or so. Sounds like a great plan, glad you and your buddies thought of it.

That actually sounds good. While we're making sensible policy changes, decriminalization of marijuana would be another excellent step.
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Jesus, it's like talking to a four year old.
My 4 year old would have either grasped all of this by now, or walked away accepting that it's above his comprehension level.
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#141 Aug 03 2010 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I love it when Belki loses her temper. Smiley: laugh

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#142 Aug 03 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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I love it when Belki loses her temper. Smiley: laugh


I agree, it's very... arousing.
#143 Aug 03 2010 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Jesus, it's like talking to a four year old.
My 4 year old would have either grasped all of this by now, or walked away accepting that it's above his comprehension level.


You're right. It's like talking to a stupid four year old.

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I love it when Belki loses her temper. Smiley: laugh


Smiley: motz
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Samira wrote:
I love it when Belki loses her temper. Smiley: laugh
Smiley: motz
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#145 Aug 03 2010 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
ThiefX wrote:
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No, she asked how these laws didn't interfere with your private life. They all do of course. They might be great laws with good justifications, but they certainly interfere with your private life, which is why it's an absurd criticism to make.


Well that's a given.


Good lord, you're a moron.

This whole fucking thread is about how the Democrat in the video was "caught on tape" saying something absurd. What he said was, "The constitution doesn't really prevent the government from making 'rules' that interfere in how you live your private life."

My question to the simpletons "Conservatives" on this board is, "HOW WAS HE WRONG?"

And not one of you can tell me how he is wrong. You can go on and on about why you think laws against killing people are A-OK, but this isn't, but you can't answer a simple question.

Really the whole video is a woman comparing the healthcare reform to slavery, and asking the Democrat at the town hall meeting, "If the government can do this, than what else can the government to do interfere in our private lives?!?! OMGWTFBBQKITTENS!!!" To which he answers her with, "Um, the constitution really doesn't stop them from doing that..."

Then Breitbart gets his panties wet, and posts the video with the caption of, "Democrat says government can do anything!!11oneoneeleven"

Do you maybe understand the whole point of me asking how he was wrong now...?

Jesus, it's like talking to a four year old.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 9:15am by Belkira


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I love it when people pretend that the Constitution has some sort of magical powers or divine decree. The only thing that stops the government from doing anything is the people in the government versus the people on the street. Vote out those who think an insurance mandate is constitutional and you can vote in people who think the First Amendment shouldn't cover flag burning or you can pass state laws that directly violate the 14th Amendment or appoint Attorney Generals who'll sit and argue with a straight face and complete sincerity that there's no guarantee of habeas corpus in the Constitution. Folks who believe on one hand that the 2nd Amendment guarantees you ownership of high powered military rifles to protect yourself from the government and, on the other hand, believe that there's no Constitutional protection against the government tapping your phone calls without a warrant so it can stop terrorists.

When their side is against something, the Constitution is holy and inviolate. When their side wants something, it's barely more than a loose collection of suggestions.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 9:57am by Jophiel
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Should have just gone with Universal Healthcare.
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#148 Aug 03 2010 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Good lord, you're a moron.


And you're a stupid *****. Now we're getting somewhere.


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This whole ******* thread is about how the Democrat in the video was "caught on tape" saying something absurd. What he said was, "The constitution doesn't really prevent the government from making 'rules' that interfere in how you live your private life."


And he's 1000% wrong!. The constitution was meant to LIMIT the powers of the govn. When the govn can force people into slavery to support someone else the constitution means nothing. Of course it means nothing to liberals as it is so that's nothing new. What's new is liberal democrats are so out of touch with the political climate that they actually think it's a good thing to admit to having a govn that has complete control over it's citizens.

You were one of the loudest b*tches to whine and moan about W's wiretapping of communication coming into this country from known sponsors of islamic terrorism. Yet for some reason a govn forcing it's citizens, at the point of a gun (and yes this is true despite how jophed and you other radicals mock this), doesn't seem to bother you one bit. You're willing to have other people hand over their rights because YOU think it's the right thing to do.

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"HOW WAS HE WRONG?"


You besides that's not the duty of the govn? Sadly you and your buddies are doing everything you can to make him right. The Govn isn't supposed to control every aspects of our life.


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Really the whole video is a woman comparing the healthcare reform to slavery, and asking the Democrat at the town hall meeting, "If the government can do this, than what else can the government to do interfere in our private lives?!?! !!!" To which he answers her with, "Um, the constitution really doesn't stop them from doing that..."


And he's wrong. The constitution has LIMITED powers. That means if it's not in the constitution the govn shouldn't be able to do it. But you don't really care about that, especially if it inconvienences your pinko commy bretherens agenda.



And yes you are a stupid *****. And thanks to you and the Democrats you've completely f*cked this great nations economy up. How many years have the Dems controlled congress now?

They created this mess with the sole purpose of destroying capitalism and placing as many major industries under the boot of big govn. Let's see how many CZARS has Obama appointed?

#149 Aug 03 2010 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tulip,

I really don't have much to say. You're right, the government does make laws every day that interfere in our private lives, but this is one law that I don't like, so I'm going to liken it to slavery and drool over my keyboard.




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Good grief varus, lay off the insults a bit. You're going way overboard here.
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
And he's 1000% wrong!. The constitution was meant to LIMIT the powers of the govn. [...] You were one of the loudest b*tches to whine and moan about W's wiretapping of communication...

Heh. I love being proven correct with so little effort.
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And thanks to you and the Democrats you've completely f*cked this great nations economy up.

Reagan's budget director blames the economic woes squarely on the GOP. True story.
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Republicans used to believe that prosperity depended upon the regular balancing of accounts -- in government, in international trade, on the ledgers of central banks and in the financial affairs of private households and businesses, too. But the new catechism, as practiced by Republican policymakers for decades now, has amounted to little more than money printing and deficit finance -- vulgar Keynesianism robed in the ideological vestments of the prosperous classes.

This approach has not simply made a mockery of traditional party ideals. It has also led to the serial financial bubbles and Wall Street depredations that have crippled our economy. More specifically, the new policy doctrines have caused four great deformations of the national economy, and modern Republicans have turned a blind eye to each one.


Edited, Aug 3rd 2010 10:47am by Jophiel
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