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#1 Jul 26 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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So they have released 91,000 pages of classified documents relating to the ongoing situation in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Some pretty inflammatory stuff in some of those documents there is too.

So. Whats your opinion?

Are they providing a valuable service by allowing people to see whats really going on in the minds of those who are in charge of keeping the free world safe. Or should the interwebz be used exclusively for **** and the leaker and the messenger should be thoroughly locked up for ever.

I think you already know my opinion.
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#2 Jul 26 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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I'll wait until the usual proveyors of spin give me the Cliff's Notes version to decide.

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I think the Wikileaks guy performed a service (I'm not how valuable and I assume most of the 91,000 pages is dross) and that the guy(s) who gave him the information should go to jail if caught.

So there ya go.
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#4 Jul 26 2010 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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and that the guy(s) who gave him the information should go to jail if caught.


Obama gave the go ahead to have this info leaked.


This is only the beginning of the "leaks" that will come from seemingly "anonymous" sources in a transparent attempt to blame as much as they can on W before the mid-terms.


Do you really think Obama cares if something is considered "classified" if that something can in any way help the Democrats?




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Obama gave the go ahead to have this info leaked.

Right ho. From his Kenyan bunker, no doubt!
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I read about this on CNN's site, apparently the government said none of the documents are a security risk so the guy who leaked shouldn't have to worry about a treason charge.
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#7 Jul 26 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Obama gave the go ahead to have this info leaked.

Right ho. From his Kenyan bunker, no doubt!


I saw in this month's Globe while at the checkout counter yesterday that they have new PROOF Obama was born in Kenya!!!. It must be so.
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Jophiel wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Obama gave the go ahead to have this info leaked.

Right ho. From his Kenyan bunker, no doubt!


Lol. No clue where this information came from, but that's a pretty massive amount to just be some disgruntled office worker somewhere. I agree that whomever leaked this should be brought to justice and that the Pentagon should work to close the leak.

But on a purely conspiratorial note, it certainly does potentially buy the Obama administration some cover for the failings of foreign policy since he's taken office, ties well into the "We inherited this mess from Bush" angle, and frankly gives him a way to put out the word that Afghanistan is failing without having to say it himself. Obviously, it's pure tinfoil hat territory since there's no evidence of such a connection, nor is there any certainty that the fallout wont end out hurting the Obama administration even more anyway (most people don't distinguish between the Pentagon and the White house when it comes to leaks like this).

Intriguing to think about though.
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I read about this on CNN's site, apparently the government said none of the documents are a security risk so the guy who leaked shouldn't have to worry about a treason charge.


Who at CNN is saying this? That's not really the criteria to use. Odd approach to take IMO. Almost like they're trying to get public opinion primed ahead of the facts. The information was classified. It's illegal for someone cleared for that information to pass it to someone who is not cleared. Period. It does not matter what the content of the information is.
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I'd imagine the information leaked would have an influence on the charge, if not on whether the leaker would be charged.
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gbaji wrote:
Shaowstrike wrote:
I read about this on CNN's site, apparently the government said none of the documents are a security risk so the guy who leaked shouldn't have to worry about a treason charge.
The information was classified. It's illegal for someone cleared for that information to pass it to someone who is not cleared. Period.

"Illegal" != "Treason"
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#12gbaji, Posted: Jul 26 2010 at 5:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You think that was a distinction made by CNN, or expected of its audience? Sounds like a preemptive downplay to me...
#13 Jul 26 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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I read about this on CNN's site, apparently the government said none of the documents are a security risk so the guy who leaked shouldn't have to worry about a treason charge.
The information was classified. It's illegal for someone cleared for that information to pass it to someone who is not cleared. Period.

"Illegal" != "Treason"


You think that was a distinction made by CNN, or expected of its audience? Sounds like a preemptive downplay to me...

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 4:59pm by gbaji


Sounds like you made a mistake and now you're trying to cover your **** to me.
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*Shrug*

Actually, searching for the word "treason" on CNN's site turns up nothing except some stuff about tonight's Larry King Live.
Larry King via CNN.com wrote:
Tonight Larry talks to Julian Assange, whose
website – WikiLeaks – published the
tens of thousands of classified documents.
Was it treason – or patriotism?
The controversy over the secrets of war!


Heh.

Not going to worry too much about "preemptive downplaying" when I can't find an article actually about it.
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#15 Jul 26 2010 at 6:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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If any of those documents contain a single scrap of information that leads to deaths of American troops even indirectly, then whoever leaked them, and whoever posted them should be tried for treason. It's like senator whatshisname deciding to tell the american people right after 9/11 that we were monitoring Al Qaida cell phone traffic. Funny how they stopped using cell phones entirely after that. It's little things like that, where people don't think, that get other people killed.

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#16 Jul 26 2010 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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#17 Jul 26 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
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I read about this on CNN's site, apparently the government said none of the documents are a security risk so the guy who leaked shouldn't have to worry about a treason charge.
The information was classified. It's illegal for someone cleared for that information to pass it to someone who is not cleared. Period.

"Illegal" != "Treason"


You think that was a distinction made by CNN, or expected of its audience? Sounds like a preemptive downplay to me...

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 4:59pm by gbaji


I think (if that's actually the word that CNN used) that they are saying he won't be charged with treason. Not that he won't be charged with a crime, just that the crime will not be treason.
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Sounds like you made a mistake and now you're trying to cover your **** to me.


Huh?!

I may have gotten a bit ahead of myself on my "media to reader to forum telephone game" translator, but I doubt it was a "mistake".
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Shaowstrike wrote:
I read about this on CNN's site, apparently the government said none of the documents are a security risk so the guy who leaked shouldn't have to worry about a treason charge.
The information was classified. It's illegal for someone cleared for that information to pass it to someone who is not cleared. Period.

"Illegal" != "Treason"


You think that was a distinction made by CNN, or expected of its audience? Sounds like a preemptive downplay to me...

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 4:59pm by gbaji


I think (if that's actually the word that CNN used) that they are saying he won't be charged with treason. Not that he won't be charged with a crime, just that the crime will not be treason.

Psh! Who needs a criminal justice system when we have CNN to pass judgment on our collective wrongdoers!
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I think (if that's actually the word that CNN used) that they are saying he won't be charged with treason. Not that he won't be charged with a crime, just that the crime will not be treason.


Why make that point this early though? I don't know what the original CNN story was which prompted this whole bit, but I kinda immediately rejected the assumed point of the related bit that somehow this isn't a big deal because "it might not technically meet the criteria to be charged with treason!". I'll admit to perhaps getting ahead of the issue, but it seemed pretty obvious that the only reason to make that point would be if you were trying to downplay the significance of the act.

Maybe I'm a bit more cynical about media coverage (or how people relate media coverage) than most, but that was my take on it.
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#21 Jul 26 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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I think (if that's actually the word that CNN used) that they are saying he won't be charged with treason. Not that he won't be charged with a crime, just that the crime will not be treason.


Why make that point this early though? I don't know what the original CNN story was which prompted this whole bit, but I kinda immediately rejected the assumed point of the related bit that somehow this isn't a big deal because "it might not technically meet the criteria to be charged with treason!". I'll admit to perhaps getting ahead of the issue, but it seemed pretty obvious that the only reason to make that point would be if you were trying to downplay the significance of the act.

Maybe I'm a bit more cynical about media coverage (or how people relate media coverage) than most, but that was my take on it.


I would imagine they included it because it made for a good quote. And that's important to any reporter.
#22 Jul 26 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Why make that point this early though?

Because that's how the news works? You think they should sit on an aspect of the story so that conspiracy theorists like yourself don't get too excited?
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And how exactly does making a point to say that the act of leaking classified documents might not be treason make for better news? Not on day 10, but on day 1? You do something like that to downplay it. Don't be naive.
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As far as I know the guy is not an American citizen, so what the basis for "treason" would be is beyond my poor comprehension.

I haven't read enough or seen enough of the leaked material to comment any further.

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I'm kind of amused at how people are debating the reasons behind a phantom article no one has actually read.
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#26 Jul 26 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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And how exactly does making a point to say that the act of leaking classified documents might not be treason make for better news? Not on day 10, but on day 1? You do something like that to downplay it. Don't be naive.

"Making a point" to say it? You haven't read this article. It could have been a single line thrown in. It certainly wasn't the entire point of the article, like you're trying to make it sound.

The point of throwing it in is because it's news, nitwit. There doesn't have to be some ulterior motive to make a journalist want to cover every aspect of the story. It also gives details as to the nature of the information leaked, which the average reader would want. Of course, the average reader isn't a conspiracy theorist like yourself, determined to find any hint of liberalism in every aspect of life. Answer this, what does CNN gain by downplaying it? If the only answer you can come up with is some conspiracy about how the Democrats asked them to, then hint, you might need to adjust your thinking a bit.
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