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#1 Jul 21 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Long column and most of it is important but I know you all won't read a wall o' text.
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For at least a year, the Homeland Security Department detoured requests for federal records to senior political advisers for highly unusual scrutiny, probing for information about the requesters and delaying disclosures deemed too politically sensitive, according to nearly 1,000 pages of internal e-mails obtained by The Associated Press.
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[I]n July 2009, Homeland Security introduced a directive requiring a wide range of information to be vetted by political appointees for "awareness purposes," no matter who requested it.

Career employees were ordered to provide Secretary Janet Napolitano's political staff with information about the people who asked for records - such as where they lived, whether they were private citizens or reporters - and about the organizations where they worked.

If a member of Congress sought such documents, employees were told to specify Democrat or Republican.
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A department spokesman, Sean Smith, says the mandatory reviews by political appointees never blocked disclosure of records that otherwise would have been released. "No information deemed releasable by the FOIA office or general counsel was withheld, and responsive documents were neither abridged nor edited," said Smith, who was among the political staffers who could review and approve records for release.

E-mails obtained by AP do not show political appointees at Homeland Security stopping records from coming out. Instead they point to acute political sensitivities that slowed the process, a probing curiosity about the people and organizations making the request for records, and considerable confusion.
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The White House said it had no role formulating the rule at Homeland Security and requests for records generally were not forwarded there for approval. "They only need to go thru front office awareness review, not wh (White House)," wrote Mary Ellen Callahan, the department's top chief privacy officer and FOIA official.
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Internally, Homeland Security was adamant that Napolitano's political advisers were merely reviewing materials before they were distributed, not making the call on whether they should come out. "To be clear, this is a review not an approval," Callahan wrote.

Yet many e-mails directed Homeland Security employees never to release information under FOIA without approval by political appointees.

"It is imperative that these requests are not released prior to the front office reviewing both the letter and the records," Papoi wrote in an e-mail to the agency's officers responsible for administering the law.

The idea of screening these requests before release on political grounds is inexcusable. Someone's head should roll for this.
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#2 Jul 21 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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delaying disclosures deemed too politically sensitive


Certainly seems to go against the specific purpose of the Freedom of Information Act.

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#3 Jul 21 2010 at 12:16 PM Rating: Default
That's what I call change you can believe it.

I'd talk more about the pattern of behavior being exhibited by this president and his administration, but your head's still too buried in the sand to acknowledge questionable trends.

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Edited, Jul 21st 2010 1:17pm by MoebiusLord
#4 Jul 21 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
That's what I call change you can believe it.

Hey, it only took until Post #3!
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#5 Jul 21 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
That's what I call change you can believe it.

I'd talk more about the pattern of behavior being exhibited by this president and his administration, but your head's still too buried in the sand to acknowledge questionable trends.

EDIT: Possession is a *****.


Well, I'll acknowledge that the existence of these alleged trends is very questionable indeed.
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I'd talk more about the pattern of behavior being exhibited by this president and his administration, but your head's still too buried in the sand to acknowledge questionable trends.


I'm not sure which of us you're addressing or why you feel that way, under the circumstances.

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#7 Jul 21 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Someone's head should roll for this.


I certainly hope so, and no, I don't particularly care what their political affiliation is, varus.
#8 Jul 21 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Someone's head should roll for this.


I certainly hope so,


A head roll shall be accepted if it comes down a ramp,. A ramp which holds at its base, like a beautiful specter, a fully function and armed guillotine.
#9 Jul 21 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder what would happen if the person or group requesting information refused to reveal their political affiliation. Would they be denied the information?

I wonder if the group or person requesting information was asked what was their religion/nationality/sexual preference?

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"It is imperative that these requests are not released prior to the front office reviewing both the letter and the records," Papoi wrote in an e-mail to the agency's officers responsible for administering the law.

It's all wrong.

Who's requesting the information is absolutely irrelevant. The only reason for reviewing the info before release is for accuracy and perhaps for security. Honestly though, confidential info is not deemed confidential at such a time that someone requests to see it - it't confidential or top secret from it's inception, and incorrect info would presumably be a draft and so should be clearly marked as such.

Lol..nothing like tossing the baby out with the bath water.
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#10 Jul 21 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
That's what I call change you can believe it.

I'd talk more about the pattern of behavior being exhibited by this president and his administration, but your head's still too buried in the sand to acknowledge questionable trends.

EDIT: Possession is a *****.


Well, I'll acknowledge that the existence of these alleged trends is very questionable indeed.
Trendy as information power grabs may be, some of Bush's policies were far scarier than this.
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#11 Jul 21 2010 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder what would happen if the person or group requesting information refused to reveal their political affiliation. Would they be denied the information?

The only ones asked political party were members of Congress. I don't even know that they were asked since it's not exactly hard to noodle out.

Bush did a lot of shady crap but I'm not defending this with that. This is pretty indefensible.
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#12 Jul 21 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
Incidents like these should prompt a review of the nature and authority of the DHS itself. I think the DHS has too few checks and balances and too much implicit power as a government agency.
#13 Jul 21 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd talk more about the pattern of behavior being exhibited by this president and his administration, but your head's still too buried in the sand to acknowledge questionable trends.


I'm not sure which of us you're addressing or why you feel that way, under the circumstances.


Jophiel. As to why, his typical response is to paint the argument as foolish conjecture. I doubt that has changed because of this.

As to the trends I'm referring to, the most recent examples:

During the health care bill debate, Obama & Democrats said they didn't want to ration medical care. He appoints a person who is a staunch and unapologetic supporter of rationed medical care to oversee Medicare & Medicaid Services.

During the health care bill debate, Obama, on national television, said the health care mandate was not a tax. This week, arguing for the constitutionality of the fee, his Justice Department put forth in Federal Court that it is simply a tax.

The best case scenario is that the man appoints incompetent people to positions of power and takes their advice, proving himself unfit to lead. The worst case scenario is that the man himself is incompetent and easily swayed, proving himself unfit to lead. He wasn't vetted by the American people before the election. It was a feel-good guilt fest that everyone thought would lead to a new, better day in America. There would be "change we could believe in." It would be the most transparent administration in history. No lobbyists, no trampling the rights of the American people. Gitmo would close, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would be over.

Now we have a White House full of lobbyists, cabinet level departments full of reverse-racists, a Homeland Security department more interested in identifying conservatives right wing terrorists than with securing our borders and an administration bent on obscuring the truth at every turn.
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Incidents like these should prompt a review of the nature and authority of the DHS itself. I think the DHS has too few checks and balances and too much implicit power as a government agency.


I agree. This reeks of early-days FBI shenanigans.

It doesn't bother me so much that they wanted to track who requested information. That's not the most comfortable concept but I can see some theoretical basis for having that information available. What bothers me is that they were apparently scrutinizing and delaying the release of requested information purely on political grounds.

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#15 Jul 21 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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This is why, on a fundamental level, I hold a healthy skepticism towards benevolent government.

Let's hope that the responsible people are sacked and run out of town in short order.
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
As to why, his typical response is to paint the argument as foolish conjecture. I doubt that has changed because of this.

You're just guessing.

I'm skipping your examples because if the thread is to be derailed, it won't be by my response.
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#17 Jul 21 2010 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now we have a White House full of lobbyists
I don't think the administration has lived up to it's promises of transparency, but they're doing all right on lobbyists specifically. There are now fewer lobbyists then in past administrations, it's much harder for a lobbyist to get a job there, it's a pretty transparent and accountable process, and they are completely restricted afterward, even if they quit. Saying the white house is 'full of lobbyists' doesn't really hold water.

It's hard to argue with the evil liberals when they're condemning an action of the administration so of course there will be derail attempts.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 2:32pm by Xsarus
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Kaelesh wrote:
A head roll shall be accepted if it comes down a ramp,. A ramp which holds at its base, like a beautiful specter, a fully function and armed guillotine.

Shouldn't the guillotine be at the top of the ramp, not at the base?
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#20 Jul 21 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Shouldn't the guillotine be at the top of the ramp, not at the base?


Clearly you've never been beheaded by a gravity-warping guillotine.

Amateur.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 3:52pm by Kaelesh
#21 Jul 21 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
Sir Xsarus wrote:
There are now fewer lobbyists then in past administrations

Which makes it ok to have gone back on the promise of no lobbyists in his administration.

For the record, I don't have any issue with the government delaying or outright denying FOIA requests, from any political slant.
#22 Jul 21 2010 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
There are now fewer lobbyists then in past administrations

Which makes it ok to have gone back on the promise of no lobbyists in his administration.
Back when I looked into this, he had made it explicitly clear that he would not be firing existing lobbyists, rather letting their contracts run out. He had also stated that rare exceptions could be made in the case of very specific expertise. He never said There shall be no lobbyists. He's made an exception 6 times, which I guess is a lot.
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#23 Jul 21 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
For the record, I don't have any issue with the government ... denying FOIA requests


Oooookay. Kinda self-defeating, isn't it?
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Back when I looked into this, he had made it explicitly clear that he would not be firing existing lobbyists, rather letting their contracts run out. He had also stated that rare exceptions could be made in the case of very specific expertise.

He explained it during his little Q&A with the House GOP caucus.
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Ah, well fox didn't air most of that, so I guess that explains it.
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#26 Jul 21 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
For the record, I don't have any issue with the government delaying or outright denying FOIA requests, from any political slant. violating the law.
Interesting.

Stupid, but interesting.
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