Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Maybe if you'd written a coherent argument instead of just tossing out a meaningless phrase? Just a thought.
Really? I doubt anyone else is having trouble with it.
No body else asked what you meant when you wrote "Southen Strategy" Joph. Do you really think that's because everyone immediately got that you weren't actually talking about the southern strategy as related by the guy who applied that label, but some other vaguely defined trend of racism assumed to be in the GOP, that has no relation to that phrase, and bears no similarity to the conditions or context it appeared? Cause that would be freaking amazing! Apparently, the entire forum is filled with mind readers...
You're kidding right? You just tossed out a phrase and assumed everyone would just substitute it in their minds with "Something racist the GOP does". Which is kinda meaningless. You could have just written any two random words and said the same thing.
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Look, if I thought there was actually a chance... any chance... that you would ever in a million years admit that the GOP has done wrong this might be worth chasing.
The GOP has done many things wrong over the years. But engaging in a platform based on systematic racism isn't one of them. Since that's the topic at hand, I'm going to stick to discussing that topic. Now if you want to talk about mistakes made by the Nixon administration with regard to Vietnam and the Watergate scandal, I'll freely admit to them. Or if you want to talk about the pros and cons of Reagan's decision to withdraw from Lebanon. Or the admission I made just a couple weeks ago that the amnesty program enacted by Reagan was a mistake. Or various minor failures which lead to the S&L scandals. Or failure to follow through on all the promises made during the Contract with America. Or their failure to act forcefully enough to prevent the combination of factors leading to the current economic problems. Or the decision to follow Rumsfeld's minimal-troops strategy in Iraq. Or the failure to adequately respond to media claims surrounding the war in Iraq in general (I think Bush's press secretary at the time was a complete disaster).
There are a host of things I will gladly criticize the GOP for. The problem is that you seem to continually want me to adopt your own view of the reasons for GOP actions, and apologize for them. I don't agree that racism is a major component of the GOP platform. Thus, I'm not going to admit or apologize for it. See how that works? Similarly, I don't agree with the liberal assertions about the economic effects of wealth. Thus, I'm not going to admit or apologize for GOP support for "making the rich richer while the poor suffer". To do so requires that I accept assumptions which I do not believe are true.
That you then spin this into whether I'm willing to admit the GOP makes mistakes is just icing on the cake. It's not about that Joph. You're asking me to essentially become a liberal in terms of how I view socio-economic policy. But I'm not a liberal. In my view, I have nothing to apologize for. I believe that policies which benefit one group of people over another on the basis of their race are racist and wrong, no matter which race is benefited. I'm not going to change that view, no matter how cleverly you work to twist the issue around.
What the Dems do as a matter of policy is racist. Period. You can come up with new labels for it. You can convince yourself that it's ok to be racist if it benefits historically disadvantaged groups. But it's still "racist". What you (and most liberals) seem to want to do is change the meaning of the word so that it just doesn't apply in the situations where you don't want it to. Perhaps it's because you don't want to face the truth of what you're supporting? I don't know. But you do it. And you get angry at people like me when we point it out. Perhaps that's your conscience telling you something. I don't know. Only you can examine your own soul Joph. I'm just asking that you not attack me for taking a position that deep down you know is the right one.