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#77 Jul 20 2010 at 7:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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...and they had some leans against the house...

Liens. It wouldn't bother me except I spend too much of my working hours having to hear about 'em.


I totally pictured an open faced shed. Smiley: laugh

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#78 Jul 20 2010 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
...and they had some leans against the house...

Liens. It wouldn't bother me except I spend too much of my working hours having to hear about 'em.


I totally pictured an open faced shed. Smiley: laugh

I just pictured an open faced sandwich. Now I'm hungry. Smiley: frown
#79 Jul 20 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
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Jophiel wrote:
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...and they had some leans against the house...

Liens. It wouldn't bother me except I spend too much of my working hours having to hear about 'em.


I totally pictured an open faced shed. Smiley: laugh

I just pictured an open faced sandwich. Now I'm hungry. Smiley: frown
I just pictured a tomatoish looking guy eating an open-faced sammich in a lean-to.
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#80 Jul 20 2010 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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#81 Jul 20 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I managed to buy my condo without paying a penny to anyone aside from actual mortgage and escrow stuff.


No you didn't. An attorney still has to do a title report (to make sure the property is clear of liens) for your Title Insurance. A Real Estate attorney is quite common.
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I managed to buy my condo without paying a penny to anyone aside from actual mortgage and escrow stuff.


No you didn't. An attorney still has to do a title report (to make sure the property is clear of liens) for your Title Insurance. A Real Estate attorney is quite common.


Yes. And this is normally handled by the real estate agent as part of the service he/she provides. That's why you hire an agent since their job is to handle all the paperwork and whatnot for you. I was just curious if for some reason he was hiring an attorney in addition to an agent, which seems redundant.

And in my case, I was buying the unit I'd been renting for years. The agent for the seller handled both sides of the sale and waived his fee to me because I was going to be signing off on most of the paperwork he needed and generally making his job a hell of a lot easier. So yeah. I didn't pay a dime except for escrow fees and that was quick and easy.
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#83 Jul 20 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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Since when do Real estate agents helping you buy a house charge a fee?
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#84 Jul 20 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Since when do Real estate agents helping you buy a house charge a fee?

I'd do whatever it takes to not have to deal with gbaji, too.
#85 Jul 20 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Since when do Real estate agents helping you buy a house charge a fee?


I always assumed that they got a commission.
#86 Jul 20 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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Since when do Real estate agents helping you buy a house charge a fee?


I always assumed that they got a commission.
that's how it works out here. Usually the seller and the buyer will share the commission on the house. It doesn't come out of the buyers pocket though, aside from the fact that both the seller and the buyer have an interest in inflating the market.
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#87 Jul 20 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Since when do Real estate agents helping you buy a house charge a fee?


I always assumed that they got a commission.
that's how it works out here. Usually the seller and the buyer will share the commission on the house. It doesn't come out of the buyers pocket though, aside from the fact that both the seller and the buyer have an interest in inflating the market.


After re-reading gbaji's post, I see where the confusion is now.

However, I am not happy about having to re-read a gbaji post. Smiley: bah
#88 Jul 20 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Most home sales are managed by a real estate agent (or an agency). You pay a commission to them. Historically, it's 3% from the buyer to the buying agent, and 3% from the seller to the selling agent, although the numbers can vary. In today's market, both sides are charging 5-6% which I think is highway robbery, but people I talk to in the business insist that's the "normal commission". Probably has to do with sales being down so much.

When one agent handles both sides of the sale, they may charge both sides the commission. Some agents will do this, others will only charge the buyer since they figure it's unfair to double charge. The agent that sold me my condo was one of those who thought it was unethical to charge both sides so he didn't. Maybe I lucked out there. It may also have been that I commented that three members of my immediate family were licensed real estate agents so he figured he wasn't going to get anything anyway. No way to know.

The agents handle all the paperwork. They do take an up front fee to cover costs, but that's rolled into their commission on a sale. They get the forms filled out, t's crossed, i's dotted, etc. This includes inspections and lists of things which need to be done to make the sale. And most agents either have the authority to file said forms, or retain an attorney to file them for them. That's all part of the service and it's why they get a commission.

My original question was whether or not he (she? Don't even remember who it was now) had paid a lawyer on top of an agent, since that seemed redundant. Obviously, if you decide to manage the sale or purchase yourself, you can and you'll have to pay fees to file various papers and whatnot. I suppose you'll save money doing that, but you can also easily leave yourself liable to costs and suits later if you miss something. It's a choice to make. I just wasn't sure that was the case here.
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Having 1 year ago purchased a house (yeah its been year already wooo!) and 7 months before that signed all paperwork just short of buying a flooded house, I can unequivically state that at no time in the last 15 years has anyone I know who owns a house been charged a real estate fee when they were the buyer. Selling, definitly. maybe thats just a Washington thing but I asked about that specifically because I didn't want to pay extra on any of that.
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#90 Jul 20 2010 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
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I know that up here the buyer doesn't have to pay anything, at least in the cases I've seen. I emailed a friend who's a real estate agent so we'll see what she says.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 12:53am by Xsarus
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#91 Jul 21 2010 at 1:29 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
but people I talk to in the business...


...are taking the ****.

Theres no way on earth I would pay a real estate agent commission if I was the buyer. Real estate agents would be laughed out of the room if they tried to charge a buyer. Thats true for the UK (or was the last time I bought a house there) and definately true in NZ.

Either Gbaji is bs'ing about his knowledge (!) or its very different in California.

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#92 Jul 21 2010 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is the guy who once argued that, when you get married, you have to sign a giant contract "as big as a stack of mortgage papers". And he then actually defended this when everyone else told him he was an idiot.

I don't know why any of you would take him seriously.
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I know that up here the buyer doesn't have to pay anything, at least in the cases I've seen. I emailed a friend who's a real estate agent so we'll see what she says.

Edited, Jul 21st 2010 12:53am by Xsarus
She'll say exactly what you just said. Buyer pays the sale price. Seller pays the commission. Real estate agents split commission, which is typically 5%(2.5% each), but in hot markets, may be 6%.
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#94 Jul 21 2010 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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This is the guy who once argued that, when you get married, you have to sign a giant contract "as big as a stack of mortgage papers". And he then actually defended this when everyone else told him he was an idiot.


Well... we did have to put our names in a really large book. Does that count...?
#95 Jul 21 2010 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Either Gbaji is bs'ing about his knowledge (!) or its very different in California.


Then California must be the center of bizaaro land because everything Gbaji described, is utter ******** everywhere else.
#96 Jul 21 2010 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes. And this is normally handled by the real estate agent as part of the service he/she provides. That's why you hire an agent since their job is to handle all the paperwork and whatnot for you. I was just curious if for some reason he was hiring an attorney in addition to an agent, which seems redundant.

And in my case, I was buying the unit I'd been renting for years. The agent for the seller handled both sides of the sale and waived his fee to me because I was going to be signing off on most of the paperwork he needed and generally making his job a hell of a lot easier. So yeah. I didn't pay a dime except for escrow fees and that was quick and easy.


Why on earth you think a simple real estate agent can provide Title Insurance for you is beyond me. Much more is happening behind your understanding.

Further, why you would EVER take out a policy that wasn't determined to be free and clear of all liens, junior or senior, by an Attorney is just plain stupid.
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Well... we did have to put our names in a really large book. Does that count...?

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#98 Jul 21 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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Well... we did have to put our names in a really large book. Does that count...?

Was St. Peter there? You might be dead.


I don't think so... Smiley: um
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Jophiel wrote:
This is the guy who once argued that, when you get married, you have to sign a giant contract "as big as a stack of mortgage papers". And he then actually defended this when everyone else told him he was an idiot.

Well...just how big *is* a stack of mortgage papers? Is two or three sheets a stack? Just to be clear, I've never seen mortgage or divorce papers...
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Jophiel wrote:
This is the guy who once argued that, when you get married, you have to sign a giant contract "as big as a stack of mortgage papers". And he then actually defended this when everyone else told him he was an idiot.

Well...just how big *is* a stack of mortgage papers? Is two or three sheets a stack? Just to be clear, I've never seen mortgage or divorce papers...
From the bank or from the lawyer?

My bank is about 10, the lawyer is about 30 at most.
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#101 Jul 21 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Well...just how big *is* a stack of mortgage papers? Is two or three sheets a stack? Just to be clear, I've never seen mortgage or divorce papers...


A mortgage can run anywhere from 5 pages to 21 (depending on the bank, the property and the riders) and a divorce can go from 40 pages to 5,000 depending on how bad you fight.

A marriage certificate (which is all you need to confer all the rights given to you) is ONE damn piece of paper in Iowa.
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