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Yeah, again, I understand how the system works. It's interesting how you agree with what I said, and then spend so many sentences trying to justify ignoring it. I said that it's an intrinsic part of capitalism. That implies to me at least that it's not something that can just be taken out. That doesn't mean you should ignore it though.
What does it mean then? That's what I'm getting at Xsarus. When you make a statement like that you give the impression that this is a bad thing, yet it's probably one of the most beneficial aspects of capitalism. It's what allows normal people to gain wealth over their lifetimes instead of being eternally stuck as wage slaves and renters. It's what allows people who are not born to wealth to become wealthy. Yet you present it as though this is a problem.
If on occasion I mistake you for a liberal it's because you consistently fail to argue *for* conservative positions. The best you do is not agree with liberal positions and most of the time you look for the one component of a liberal position you do agree with and make sure to state that agreement. I'm all for finding common ground and whatnot, but there's a point at which if you believe something you really ought to stand up for it. Just saying.
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But you've never been very good at supporting a system and still being able to criticize it. I don't really need to compare capitalism with anything, because I'm not trying to replace it.
Then say that. Why not say that capitalism is the best economic system possible. Give reasons for why this is so. And *then* state the minor concerns and problems with it. You don't do that though. I show that I support a system by actually supporting it first. I'm more than willing to criticize problems with capitalism. I just don't do only that. And I'm always going to put it in the context of other systems being much much worse.
I just don't see how criticizing what you believe in is some kind of virtue.
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I try to point out the pitfalls when I make posts supporting a topic, which you never do.
You wrote one very tepid sentence in support of capitalism (property ownership really), and then two paragraphs talking about how amusing a key element of capitalism was in a way which implied that there was something wrong with said element. In the context of your whole post I actually assumed your first sentence was intended to be sarcastic. How about you be more clear with your support before going off on a tangential criticism of it?
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...although I'll err on the side of being concise.
You failed pretty miserably IMO. Again. I couldn't tell if you were being serious about your statement in support of business owners being able to make profits. It really did seem like you were just joking about that. Maybe be more clear?
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Right now you're trying as hard as you can to ignore my point, and pretend I'm making some statement that capitalism is horrible.
I don't know what your point is. Seems as though it's that when you support something, the best way to show that support is to criticize it so as to not appear to be too supportive I guess. Was that it? Cause I think you overdid it.
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Hey I'd love to see another example of me pointing out the potential problems with capitalism. Hit me!
The sheer volume of times you have to keep reminding me that you're a conservative should be a hint that what you post doesn't make that very clear. I'm sure you just don't want to stand out or make waves and whatnot, but my perception of you is that you work hard to find things to agree with the liberals on this board about and work equally hard to *not* say things that they wont like. What's the old saying: All that has to happen for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing?
It doesn't have to be "us vs them", but maybe just occasionally stand up for what you believe in. There are plenty of liberals on this board who'll criticize capitalism Xsarus. You don't have to do it for them.
