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#52 Jul 14 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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He has TOP Qualifications.

Is he studying the Ark of the Covenant?
TOP. Qualifications.
#53 Jul 14 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know, but this guy seems to have some pretty solid qualifications.

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He was trained in physics and astronomy in the space science program of James Van Allen at the University of Iowa. He obtained a B.A. in Physics and Mathematics with highest distinction in 1963, an M.S. in Astronomy in 1965 and a Ph.D. in Physics, in 1967, all three degrees from the University of Iowa. He participated in the NASA graduate traineeship from 1962 to 1966 and, at the same time, between 1965 and 1966, he was a visiting student at the Institute of Astrophysics at the University of Kyoto and in the Department of Astronomy at the University of Tokyo. He then began work at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies in 1967.


Plus numerous papers on the atmosphere of Venus, etc.

How many Ph.Ds does Theon have?
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#54 Jul 14 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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IF...pretty big if. They can't find anyone comparable to Dr. Theon because he's the top guy. That's why all of you are engaged in coming up with all these reasons why you won't give me a source.
Yes yes, we already know that no matter who or how many people anyone would bring up you'd say it doesn't count anyway. But lets assume here that they can find someone, then what?
#55 Jul 14 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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I get to study at Goddard next year. :)
#56 Jul 14 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I get to study at Goddard next year. :)

Well, for God's sakes don't take any money from Democrats or else all your work will be discredited!

Republican funding, I'm assuming, is ok.
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#57 Jul 14 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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It's fair and balanced.
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#58 Jul 14 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
Debo,

So what you're saying is you don't believe junk scientists are willing to skew their results to ensure they receive the most money from Democrats.

It's amazing that you don't think these people have a monetary interest in perpetuating a certain viewpoint.
#59 Jul 14 2010 at 2:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Debo,

So what you're saying is you don't believe junk scientists are willing to skew their results to ensure they receive the most money from Democrats.

It's amazing that you don't think these people have a monetary interest in perpetuating a certain viewpoint.
It amazes me that you think every environmental scientist in the world would devote 6-10 years of their life earning a PHD just to be a political lackey. The key word being every.
#60 Jul 14 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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So what you're saying is you don't believe junk scientists are willing to skew their results to ensure they receive the most money from Liberals.

It's amazing that you don't think these people have a monetary interest in perpetuating a certain viewpoint.
#61 Jul 14 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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It's amazing that you don't think these people have a monetary interest in perpetuating a certain viewpoint.


And Republican scientists are above this?
#62 Jul 14 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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As Chief of several of NASA Headquarters’ programs (1982-94), an SES position, I was responsible for all weather and climate research in the entire agency, including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer, Joanne Simpson, and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers, in academia, and in the private sector who worked on climate research,” Theon wrote of his career. “This required a thorough understanding of the state of the science. I have kept up with climate science since retiring by reading books and journal articles,” Theon added. (LINK) Theon also co-authored the book Advances in Remote Sensing Retrieval Methods.

Theon was elected a fellow of the American Meteorological Society, given the NASA Exceptional Performance Award twice, elected an Associate Fellow of the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics, and awarded the AIAA's Losey Medal for contributions to airborne remote sensing. He was also awarded the Radio Wave Award by the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications of Japan for contributions to the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission -- a joint NASA-Japanese Space Agency satellite. Theon has authored or coauthored more than 50 NASA Reports, journal articles, monographs, chapters in books, and edited two books in the scientific literature.



Hansen 'is a political activist who spreads fear'


Award-winning NASA Astronaut and Physicist Walter Cunningham of NASA’s Apollo 7 also recently chastised Hansen. “Hansen is a political activist who spreads fear even when NASA’s own data contradict him,” Cunningham wrote in an essay in the July/August 2008 issue of Launch Magazine. “NASA should be at the forefront in the collection of scientific evidence and debunking the current hysteria over human-caused, or Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). Unfortunately, it is becoming just another agency caught up in the politics of global warming, or worse, politicized science,” Cunningham wrote



http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320



#63 Jul 14 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
It's amazing that you don't think these people have a monetary interest in perpetuating a certain viewpoint.

Is it? Is it more or less amazing than you avoiding answering how another guy with solid credentials would affect you?

Or is this you laying the foundation for playing a No True Scotsman game with anyone mentioned?
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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320

I've got to say there's a special kind of irony in your linking to a blog by Senator Inhofe, the biggest energy industry ***** in Congress, as you attempt to say any scientists saying ACC is real are just in it for the money.
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#65 Jul 14 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
[quote]As Chief of several of NASA Headquarters’ programs (1982-94), an SES position, I was responsible for all weather and climate research in the entire agency, including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer, Joanne Simpson, and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers, in academia, and in the private sector who worked on climate research,” Theon wrote of his career. “This required a thorough understanding of the state of the science. I have kept up with climate science since retiring by reading books and journal articles,” Theon added. (LINK) Theon also co-authored the book Advances in Remote Sensing Retrieval Methods.

Theon was elected a fellow of the American Meteorological Society, given the NASA Exceptional Performance Award twice, elected an Associate Fellow of the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics, and awarded the AIAA's Losey Medal for contributions to airborne remote sensing. He was also awarded the Radio Wave Award by the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications of Japan for contributions to the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission -- a joint NASA-Japanese Space Agency satellite. Theon has authored or coauthored more than 50 NASA Reports, journal articles, monographs, chapters in books, and edited two books in the scientific literature.

He was given a bunch of awards. Whoop-de-doo. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.

I still can't find Theon's education background.
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#66 Jul 14 2010 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320

I've got to say there's a special kind of irony in your linking to a blog by Senator Inhofe, the biggest energy industry ***** in Congress, as you attempt to say any scientists saying ACC is real are just in it for the money.

You mean the Republicans may possibly have financial reasons for discrediting ACC?! HOW CAN THIS BE??

I call shenanigans. Republicans are paragons of honesty and integrity.
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Debalic wrote:
I still can't find Theon's education background.

It's at the bottom of the page Varus linked to.
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#68 Jul 14 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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You mean the Republicans may possibly have financial reasons for discrediting ACC?! HOW CAN THIS BE??

Not true. According to Gbaji, the energy industries all just flock to Senator Inhofe because he's such a paragon of integrity and wisdom who understands that ACC is all a myth. Their bushel baskets of cash are but offerings left on the altar of Inhofe's wisdom and honor.
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#69 Jul 14 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Debalic wrote:
I still can't find Theon's education background.

It's at the bottom of the page Varus linked to.

Ah, so it is. Looks similar, more or less, to Hansen's, though Theon has a few years on him.
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#70 Jul 15 2010 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
Debo,

And the fact that Dr. Theon isn't accepting hundreds of thousands in donations from the DNC, or RNC for that matter, like Hansen has.
#71 Jul 15 2010 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Debo,

And the fact that Dr. Theon isn't accepting hundreds of thousands in donations from the DNC, or RNC for that matter, like Hansen has.
You realize, of course, that scientists are not politicians. When you give grant money to a scientist, that is not their salary. That is the cost of their laboratory, research, assistants, travel, equipment, rented time on major research tools, etc.
#72 Jul 15 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Debo,

And the fact that Dr. Theon isn't accepting hundreds of thousands in donations from the DNC, or RNC for that matter, like Hansen has.

Prove either of those.
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#73 Jul 15 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
Debo,

Dr. Hanson falsifying data;

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/19/nasa_giss_cockup_catalog/print.html





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In 2006, Hansen accused the Bush Administration of attempting to censor him. The issue stemmed from an email sent by a 23-year old NASA public affairs intern. It warned Hansen over repeated violations of NASA's official press policy, which requires the agency be notified prior to interviews. Hansen claimed he was being "silenced," despite delivering over 1,400 interviews in recent years, including 15 the very month he made the claim. While he admits to violating the NASA press policy, Hansen states he had a "constitutional right" to grant interviews. Hansen then began a barrage of public appearances on TV, radio and in lecture halls decrying the politicization of climate science.


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A report revealed just this week, shows the 'Open Society Institute' funded Hansen to the tune of $720,000, carefully orchestrating his entire media campaign. OSI, a political group which spent $74 million in 2006 to "shape public policy," is funded by billionaire George Soros, the largest backer of Kerry's 2004 Presidential Campaign. Soros, who once declared that "removing Bush from office was the "central focus" of his life, has also given tens of millions of dollars to MoveOn.Org and other political action groups.


http://www.dailytech.com/NASA%20James%20Hansen%20and%20the%20Politicization%20of%20Science/article9061.htm
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Dr. Hanson falsifying data

There's no evidence in there that it was falsified, just that it was in error. Corrected, it made very little difference.
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As many people will have read there was a glitch in the surface temperature record reporting for October. For many Russian stations (and some others), September temperatures were apparently copied over into October, giving an erroneous positive anomaly. The error appears to have been made somewhere between the reporting by the National Weather Services and NOAA’s collation of the GHCN database. GISS, which produces one of the more visible analyses of this raw data, processed the input data as normal and ended up with an October anomaly that was too high. That analysis has now been pulled (in under 24 hours) while they await a correction of input data from NOAA (Update: now (partially) completed).
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The amount of simply made up stuff is also impressive – the GISS press release declaring the October the ‘warmest ever’? Imaginary (GISS only puts out press releases on the temperature analysis at the end of the year). The headlines trumpeting this result? Non-existent. One clearly sees the relief that finally the grand conspiracy has been rumbled, that the mainstream media will get it’s comeuppance, and that surely now, the powers that be will listen to those voices that had been crying in the wilderness.

2008 was the 10th warmest year on record (for data up to 2008) with every year from 2001-2008 ranking in the top ten.

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A report revealed just this week, shows the 'Open Society Institute' funded Hansen to the tune of $720,000, carefully orchestrating his entire media campaign.

The only source I've seen for this is an IBD editorial which can no longer be accessed. This site says that the editorial is completely wrong and breaks down why. I can't read the IBD editorial to see what sources it's using but I did notice some articles referencing it say "It says he may have been..." whereas others breathlessly proclaim it to be gospel.
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#75 Jul 15 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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I really wanted to jump in on the "conversation," but I was left speechless for days after being called a socialist baby killing left wing nutjob for following the evidence for global warming.

This seems to be a popular tactic. Call them every name in the book then call their argument weak because it didn't address all of them. (Also, I'm a gay male, whose baby am I aborting?)
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I really wanted to jump in on the "conversation," but I was left speechless for days after being called a socialist baby killing left wing nutjob for following the evidence for global warming.

This seems to be a popular tactic. Call them every name in the book then call their argument weak because it didn't address all of them. (Also, I'm a gay male, whose baby am I aborting?)

When gays adopt, they sometimes see it as a sort of social-abortion
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