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#1 Jul 09 2010 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
Why We Must Reduce Military Spending

Ron Paul & Barney Frank wrote:


As members of opposing political parties, we disagree on a number of important issues. But we must not allow honest disagreement over some issues to interfere with our ability to work together when we do agree.

By far the single most important of these is our current initiative to include substantial reductions in the projected level of American military spending as part of future deficit reduction efforts. For decades, the subject of military expenditures has been glaringly absent from public debate. Yet the Pentagon budget for 2010 is $693 billion -- more than all other discretionary spending programs combined. Even subtracting the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, military spending still amounts to over 42% of total spending.

It is irrefutably clear to us that if we do not make substantial cuts in the projected levels of Pentagon spending, we will do substantial damage to our economy and dramatically reduce our quality of life.


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We are not talking about cutting the money needed to supply American troops in the field.

we are not talking about cutting essential funds for combating terrorism; we must do everything possible to prevent any recurrence of the mass murder of Americans that took place on September 11, 2001.

the notion that American taxpayers get some benefit from extending our military might worldwide is deeply flawed.

the idea that as a superpower it is our duty to maintain stability by intervening in civil disorders virtually anywhere in the world often generates anger directed at us and may in the end do more harm than good.

We believe that the time has come for a much quicker withdrawal from Iraq than the President has proposed...We have essentially taken on a referee role in a civil war, even mediating electoral disputes.

We will make it clear to leaders of both parties that substantial reductions in military spending must be included in any future deficit reduction package. We pledge to oppose any proposal that fails to do so.


In the short term, rebuilding our economy and creating jobs will remain our nation's top priority. But it is essential that we begin to address the issue of excessive military spending in order to ensure prosperity in the future. We may not agree on what to do with the estimated $1 trillion in savings, but we do agree that nothing either of us cares deeply about will be possible if we do not begin to face this issue now.


Good for them! Some bi-partisan agreement on an issue that deeply divides both parties. It'll be interesting to see how the Tea Party takes this, even as we can predict that the hawkish pubbies will not agree at all. At the same time, I think a lot of moderate democrats may be opposed to reductions in military spending.

Who's to say what'll happen, but I think it's a step in the right direction. The cold war is over, shouldn't our military spending reflect it?
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#2 Jul 09 2010 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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While I like the idea, this:

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We will make it clear to leaders of both parties that substantial reductions in military spending must be included in any future deficit reduction package. We pledge to oppose any proposal that fails to do so.


just irks me. I hate this all-or-nothing approach that says either a bill contains exactly what they want or they won't be a part of it. Hopefully this is just rhetoric, because realistically I doubt we'll see many bills proposing such a decrease.
#3 Jul 09 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are virtually untouchable budget items politically. Unfortunately, they also make up 100% of the available budget before you factor in any other government spending. This is why I laugh at things like whining about pork spending when neither party is willing to tackle the actual budget issue. It's like bragging about rearranging the cut flowers in the kitchen while your house is burning down.
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#4 Jul 09 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
Majivo wrote:
I hate this all-or-nothing approach that says either a bill contains exactly what they want or they won't be a part of it.


This.

It's the congressional equivalent of a spoiled brat. Compromise goes out the door the minute you pledge to oppose anything that doesn't give you exactly what you want. It's neither sensible nor helpful to anyone.
#5 Jul 09 2010 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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It's the congressional equivalent of a spoiled brat. Compromise goes out the door the minute you pledge to oppose anything that doesn't give you exactly what you want. It's neither sensible nor helpful to anyone.


When either party is bilaterally unwilling to oppose budget items while at the same time are unwilling to even negotiate, I admit it's a problem. However, for a much bigger issue like cuts to military spending to even get addressed, it might very well take bipartisan opposition to budget items that dont include reductions in military spending.

I doubt much of a dent will be placed in it in my life time, though. If you think the tabacco & firearms lobby are bad, the military industrial complex has some of the deepest pockets imaginable.
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#6 Jul 09 2010 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are virtually untouchable budget items politically. Unfortunately, they also make up 100% of the available budget before you factor in any other government spending. This is why I laugh at things like whining about pork spending when neither party is willing to tackle the actual budget issue. It's like bragging about rearranging the cut flowers in the kitchen while your house is burning down.

This is why all politicians who tout "pay-go" as the end-all solution to our budget problems should be burned at the stake.
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#7 Jul 09 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Military spending, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are virtually untouchable budget items politically. Unfortunately, they also make up 100% of the available budget before you factor in any other government spending. This is why I laugh at things like whining about pork spending when neither party is willing to tackle the actual budget issue. It's like bragging about rearranging the cut flowers in the kitchen while your house is burning down.


Well, it's one way to get back to your foundations.
#8 Jul 09 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Clearly the solution is to require military service of anyone receiving either Medicare or Medicaid benefits.

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#9 Jul 09 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:
Clearly the solution is to require military service of anyone receiving either Medicare or Medicaid benefits.


Approved.
#10 Jul 09 2010 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Clearly the solution is to require military service of anyone receiving either Medicare or Medicaid benefits.

With enough wars, we could really reduce the Medicare rolls.

"Another 15,000 grandmas and grandpas were lost on the Eastern Front yesterday in a battle that may prove a boon for taxpayers..."
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#11 Jul 09 2010 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
"Another 15,000 grandmas and grandpas were lost on the Eastern Front yesterday in a battle that may prove a boon for taxpayers..."


An aide runs up to the war table and breathlessly states, "General, we just received word from the CBO. Their new forecast shows Medicare going over budget in the fourth quarter by $2.5M."

The General, taking his half-chewed cigar out of his mouth, says, "Gentlemen, this is always a difficult decision."

He turns, folding his hands behind him and looking up at the real-time satellite images on the screen.

"Send in the 4th Alzheimer's infantry battalion."
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