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#1 Jul 07 2010 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Father finds a large plastic bag containing many smaller bags of pot in his home. He confronts his 16 year old son about it in the kitchen and tells him to go to his bedroom while the father tries to figure out what to do. Instead, the son pushes the father backwards over a chair, grabs the bag and runs out of the house. Father calls the police and tells them where the son will be. The mother left the house saying that the father turned against the family and shouldn't have involved the police. As far as I know, this was the first spat of trouble.

Would you have called the cops?
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#2 Jul 07 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
Yes, I would have. At that point, the child is no longer under your control and has proven irresponsible enough to cause harm to others. Not doing anything is a huge liability, and I see no reason to avoid involving the authorities in such a situation.

More parents should step up like the father did, IMO. Too many just "don't care" or are afraid of being accused, as you say, of turning against the family. When a teenager rebels against the parent, they need to realize that there is a higher authority to answer to. It's a life lesson that's worth learning at a young age.
#3 Jul 07 2010 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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I don't have kids, but it's hard to say. If the kid had gone to his room, probably not. Given what happened, I might have waited, as the kid just panicked, give him a chance to calm down before the cops get involved. On the other hand this is definitely not finding some pot that your kid is smoking, and there needs to be serious consequences. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Also I would not believe this is the first straw.

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#4 Jul 07 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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The cops found my kids dope before I did.

If my kid pushed me down and I felt physically threatened, I might call the cops. Also it sounds like the kid might be dealing - in which case I might call the cops as I'd feel a bit responsible for other peoples kids at that point.

If I just found some pot, I don't think I'd call them.

Edit to add that keeping my kids police record clean is one reason I might compromise uncompromisable principles.




Edited, Jul 7th 2010 9:29pm by Elinda
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#5 Jul 07 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
I wouldn't have confronted the child about pot; I'm pro-legalization.

Change that to any other drug, however, and I probably would have reacted the same way as the father did.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:25pm by catwho
#6 Jul 07 2010 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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My son is only 16 months old right now so I'm not sure if my opinion will change or not but I would assume I'd drive him to the police station myself and have him turn it in. He will have to accept any consequence given to him. I'd hope it'd be community service. A little of that could do some good. I had to do some myself when I was 14 and I never made the same mistake twice.
#7 Jul 07 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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catwho wrote:
I wouldn't have confronted the child about pot; I'm pro-legalization.

Change that to any other drug, however, and I probably would have reacted the same way as the father did.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:25pm by catwho


WTF?

Who is he dealing with? How violent are they? How much money is at stake?

If he were growing it himself I could see your point; but saying you'd ignore your child's involvement as a middleman with drug dealers is pretty silly.

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#8 Jul 07 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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catwho wrote:
I wouldn't have confronted the child about pot; I'm pro-legalization.

Change that to any other drug, however, and I probably would have reacted the same way as the father did.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:25pm by catwho
It's not really about what the crime was. Do you want to teach your kid that its ok to break a law simply because you don't agree with it?


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#9 Jul 07 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
catwho wrote:
I wouldn't have confronted the child about pot; I'm pro-legalization.

Change that to any other drug, however, and I probably would have reacted the same way as the father did.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:25pm by catwho
It's not really about what the crime was. Do you want to teach your kid that its ok to break a law simply because you don't agree with it?




Depends on the law, personally.
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#10 Jul 07 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Given that the kid is most likely not going to get charged with anything unless they have already been caught with drugs beofer i'd say a short sharp shock is exactly what he needs.

12 hours in a cell followed by a grilling by two hardened boys in blue should sort his dumb *** out.
#11 Jul 07 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't have confronted the child about pot; I'm pro-legalization.

Change that to any other drug, however, and I probably would have reacted the same way as the father did.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 3:25pm by catwho


WTF?

Who is he dealing with? How violent are they? How much money is at stake?

If he were growing it himself I could see your point; but saying you'd ignore your child's involvement as a middleman with drug dealers is pretty silly.



This. Personal consumption is one thing, but the first thing I thought when hearing that this kid took it and ran was that he was scared he'd loose it all and owe someone money.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 2:44pm by Wint
#12 Jul 07 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
I am not certain I would call the cops if I were in imminent danger, much less call them on a family member for something as piddly as probably peddling pot, especially if it was the first instance in which he had seriously misbehaved. Not that I necessarily condone what the boy did, and were it my own child I would be seriously concerned, but from all my (indirect) dealings with cops I have never found that involving them helps a situation at all.

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It's not really about what the crime was. Do you want to teach your kid that its ok to break a law simply because you don't agree with it?


There are all manner of stupid, impractical and unjust laws. I would hope any children I may have would seriously analyze and question any law they found to be such. Would you really teach your kids to follow a law simply because it was a law, no matter how ridiculous or unfair it may be?
#13 Jul 07 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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In the same exact situation? I'd call the cops in a heartbeat. As Elinda said:
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I'd feel a bit responsible for other peoples kids at that point.


There's a point where one has to realize that they've failed, or at least are very close to the brink of failure, as a parent and it's time to call in some help. The point where your 16 year old kid knocks your *** down, grabs the pot you were confronting him with and bolts from the house is one time where that's the case.

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There are all manner of stupid, impractical and unjust laws. I would hope any children I may have would seriously analyze and question any law they found to be such. Would you really teach your kids to follow a law simply because it was a law, no matter how ridiculous or unfair it may be?

I intend to teach my kids that when you feel a law is unjust, it's time to work towards getting it changed, not just break it when you feel like it. Unless, of course, it's at an extreme where following said law is truly reprehensible beyond the point of reason.

Edited, Jul 7th 2010 1:50pm by Poldaran
#14 Jul 07 2010 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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The father should be happy that his son has taken up the entrepreneurial spirit and has begun creating jobs in his local community.
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#15 Jul 07 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
Call the cops? No.

Ask him to front me a half? Yes.
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There are all manner of stupid, impractical and unjust laws. I would hope any children I may have would seriously analyze and question any law they found to be such. Would you really teach your kids to follow a law simply because it was a law, no matter how ridiculous or unfair it may be?
No. But there are ways to change laws that don't involve breaking the law and getting yourself arrested. A police record is a hard thing to live with (or so it seems).

That said, our local newpaper today had a front page picture of a young woman who was arrested for being chained to a backhoe that was sitting at the site of a new windfarm they are about to break ground on. Getting arrested for a cause doesn't seem so bad (though in this case it seems stoopid).
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#17 Jul 07 2010 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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Well, the father apparently gave the kid a reason to be scared. I'd hope in that situation my children wouldn't be so scared of what I was going to do to them that they would assault me and run away. I'd probably give the little ******** a day to come back before I called the cops, though. Otherwise I'd just get worried. If he came back and was more rational, we would proceed. If he wants to be a hardass I'll smoke all his **** up before he knows what's happened.

Also, like Samira said, unless he's growing (which they would have noticed, I'd assume), at 16 he needs a real job if he wants an income. Honestly, thinking about it more though, I'd be inclined to at least find out more about where he's getting it from, etc, and how dangerous the situation is. Also, depends on the laws, because in each state they're different, and with a minor it's another story.

High school kids are gonna buy/sell pot, though, it's a fact of life. I wish I got stoned before I was out of high school, high school was a draaaaag, man.
#18 Jul 07 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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In the same vein, I'd want to know who he's dealing with before I turned him over to the cops, too. As for the rest of it, I think many if not most teenagers who would be in that situation would react in pretty much that way.

Ah, adolescence.

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#19 Jul 07 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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If it was a small bag of pot on it's own, probably not. But 2 thibngs ring alarm bells to me and I woudl have done the same as the father:
1. It was a large bag filled with smaller bags. That points to dealing, not just smoking.
2. When the father told him to go to his room while he thought about it the kid got violent and ran off.

Those two things, especially when put together, shows a scene of a kid who has the potential and capability for violence and the callous attitude of breaking the law to suit his financial needs. it's not a healthy combo for anyone let alone a kid. I'd feel it's my parental duty to do what I can to make him stop short and realize these decisions not only will negatively affect his future, but it can also harm others through his choices. If I hadnt been able to do that prior to seeing this on my own kids, I'd seek help in getting that lesson rammed down his throat by calling the police.

1 of two things would then happen. It would be a major wake up call and my child would hopefully learn a very valuable lesson and straighten up. Or he will hate me forever and continue down that road (but not under my roof). But at least if that happens I could look myself in the mirror and know I at least did what I could to teach him.
#20 Jul 07 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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If the kid is in bad enough shape socially and emotionally to be truly incorrigible, well, the teaching moment passed a long, long time ago.

From a casual read, though, this could easily just be a kid who made a bad judgment call and then panicked when he was caught.

Teenagers are not fully sane by any measure, though, so it's hard to say without seeing more of the pattern.

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Call the cops? No.

Ask him to front me a half? Yes.

This. It would be nice to have your own source at home!
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#22 Jul 07 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
I happen to know from experience that even felony violations of the juvenile code do not stay with you for a terribly long time. In the case mentioned in the story, I would absolutely call the police.

What I would want to do is beat his contact's name out of him and educate the contact on the lack of wisdom of proceeding in a criminal venture with one of my sons. The most likely outcome of that is me either incarcerated or hospitalized and neither is optimum.

Nickle and dime stuff though? I have no problem handling smaller issues "in house", as it were.
#23 Jul 07 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
Ah, I didn't tie in the "smaller bags in a larger bag" to actually being a dealer. Probably because I don't do drugs myself and have no dealings with that segment of society.

Meh, whatever. This is why I'm not reproducing; I'm an unfit mother and I haven't even had the kids yet.

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#25 Jul 07 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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No. But there are ways to change laws that don't involve breaking the law and getting yourself arrested.


A fair and valid point. But what about the interim? Should you simply allow yourself to be constrained by the law simply for the sake of the law?

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Well, the father apparently gave the kid a reason to be scared. I'd hope in that situation my children wouldn't be so scared of what I was going to do to them that they would assault me and run away.


I rather suspect the same, which, knowing what butt heads teenagers are, is obviously only going to escalate the situation. Too often people forget what its like to be young.

Well here's to hoping things will work out for these people...
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