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I guess Alma never heard about natural endorphines. I actually as a teen found doing things that release endorphines far better then having a drink or toke some hash.

Also see what I said about self medicating. Most of the drug addicts I know are co-dependant. That is they have mental illness that they try to treat by getting drunk and/or high.
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To be fair, there's nothing natural about, say, throwing yourself out of a perfectly good airplane.

Almalieque, once one understands the purpose of life, they can understand the reason behind using substances. This is because the purpose of using drugs of any form, whether legal or illegal, is to fulfill the purpose of life. Life itself has no definite purpose, it is a constant flow of action and feeling melding into memory, memory being the only thing one has remaining of their life at any given time. Until eventually one dies, and then their memories are lost with their life and nothing that they did during that life matters anymore (to them at least). So, therefore, the only time anything matters to someone is during the period that they are alive, which means that during this period the only purpose to their life is to experience everything that they possibly can given their circumstances until their ultimate end.

What I am trying to say, in other words, is that in a life where death is inevitable, the point would rather be to experience everything and anything this world, or perhaps even other worlds have to offer if it becomes a possibility to you. Drugs and substances included, a long with countless other things and combo-nations of things that life has to offer (ie: jet skiing, snowboarding, sex, sports, internet, games, concerts, foods, travel, etc). The more you do, the more life you've lived, and once you die there's no chance of coming back and trying again. Nothing ever happens exactly the same twice, and if you miss out on it the first time it's just another experience lost that you'll never have. It's best to just continue doing everything that you can all the time.

That being said, No I am not saying that it's good to use drugs or any substances regularly..but that is because you will be taking away from your sober experience of life by doing so which is also something to enjoy. It is also because many drugs do have harmful affects on the body and mind, therefore those should be done very cautiously and probably not frequently unless you would prefer to end your life sooner than expected. However, all drugs can be done cautiously and it does not hurt you so much to try them out maybe once or twice in your life, with a good balance it can be done and it will provide you with an experience that you would not have otherwise. If it's an experience that you would rather not have, that is your choice, however, that only means that you are taking something away and out of your own life experience as a whole. With that in mind, it's kind of ironic how people would consider using drugs "stupid" when in reality I would consider it quite the contrary.

Also, to many, drugs are used as a tool. This may not be the best reason for using them, but it's a tool for the modern world today nonetheless. Whether it is to relieve pain so that it makes your day easier to function, or to help fall asleep because you have to wake up early the next morning, or to help focus in school, or perhaps to even perform better sexually or to gain other's attention. These are all ways that drugs can be used in today's world, and although in some cases it might be considered silly reasons, the truth is that they work for those purposes and that is why people use them. Anything that can be used as a tool has a purpose.

Returning to my original point on life however, yes, I do believe that EVERYTHING that is possible SHOULD be experienced and done in a life time. I would go even to as far extremes as murder or bestiality, because those too are experiences that one could only have and truly understand if they commit to them, however, such extreme experiences are better to stay away from. Obviously because murder will truly harm another being, in fact it will completely terminate their life time which may not even be close to finished, or as fulfilled with experiences as yours might be for that matter (not like that makes it any more okay if it was). So, simply, certain things SHOULD NOT be done but mainly for the sake of others, while there really aren't many things that should not be done only for the sake of yourself. Bestiality is one of those things which I listed earlier as an extreme, because I still say that the fact remains if someone has had sex with an animal they have certainly experienced something in their life more than me, but there's just soooo many other things I would rather experience in life before doing that that it just doesn't seem like it would even fit on my list before my death. Not to mention it would be rather gross/disgusting and probably not very enjoyable hahah.

But like I said, those are the extremes...for the most part, however, life's purpose is to experience everything that you can no matter what that might be. And that is the reason for doing drugs.

"The alcoholic substance" can mean the actual alcoholic content of a drink, or the drink itself. I wasn't sure which you were implying, so I took a guess and added the question in the beginning to indicate that I wasn't quite sure.

Don't be an *** about reading comprehension if you can't write well enough to express what you mean.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 8:25pm by Eske

Not sure who you're addressing, but just to be sure, it's from his original post. Perhaps I should add a [sic]...


You know, I was once of the same mindset as Alma. Before college, I didn't understand the draw of being in an altered state of mind. I felt that compromising mental integrity was a negative quality in-and-of-itself, not something to ever be desired.

I wouldn't argue that I'm a better person for drinking (though it certainly helps open a lot of social doors). But I've come to understand that when it comes to drugs, it's all about risk vs. reward. If you're responsible, you can find a proper balance.

Both. Propagation is no lesser an offense to the eyes.

Yay!

Sorry for the late reply, didn't have too much time to read your dissertation earlier. I did however read all of it. I'm just going to reply to this statement sense it seems to sum up your argument.

Well written, but simply no.

I will talk as if I know the "purpose of life" just for the sake of the argument. The purpose of life can not be to "experience everything" because everything can not be experienced. Not only that, there are many extremes that would simply kill you. So it doesn't make sense to chase after an impossible goal performing things that are harmful to you.

You have to accept the fact that somethings are just plum stupid. You said yourself that somethings shouldn't be tried. It's the same concept regardless if it's to yourself or someone else.

Yeah, that's not the purpose of life, just the purpose of your twenties.

I understand what he is saying also, I just don't agree with it. Even with the things you can experience, some of those are just stupid. At some point a line has to be drawn separating logical from illogical. I know that line is mostly subjective, but we also can't pretend that it doesn't exist.



How does this response apply to my response?

FTFY

Arguing with Almalique is like debating a glacier - it's too stupid to win or to recognise defeat, but some solace can be taken from the knowledge it'll soon be gone.