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#127 Jul 11 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Default
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Debalic wrote:
There are irresponsible prescription drug users, just like there are irresponsible illegal drug users. I don't see what you're trying to get at here.


That if a prescribed drug user is abusing a substance, then they are no different from a regular drug user. At that point, you can't fault the doctors or the concept of prescribed drugs.

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I think alma has changed his argument from "Drugs are bad!" to "Illegal drugs are bad because we can't control how they are used!"


Well you thought wrong.

You all have just been so bent on arguing against me that you just realized that you all were countering your own arguments.

My argument is and always was that taking drugs is stupid.

You all countered to say that there are safe ways in using drugs for example, you can get meth prescribed.

I agreed and said that with the proper education and safety measures, I'm sure that there are "safe" ways in taking drugs. An example of that is prescribed drugs from a doctor, not asking your buddy to watch over you as you trip out to make sure you don't do anything too stupid. The reality is, people do the latter, rendering the thought pointless.

Instead of agreeing with me, effectively ending the thread, you all countered to say that doctors aren't perfect, which has absolutely no effect in my argument.

Debalic wrote:
That's actually a good argument *for* legalization.

Kind of like sex ed. Abstinence-only works until adolescence; at that point teenagers are going to start having sex, regardless. It's better to educate in the expectancy that it will happen, instead of demonizing, denying and casting a blind eye to the possibility.


Same concept, but that doesn't apply for drugs. Sexual urges are natural and will occur most of the time regardless. The urge to abuse substances to get high is not a natural feeling. You can very well go through life and not want to hallucinate.

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Kind of sucks for Alma, though. It basically means his argument against drug experimentation is along the lines of "BECAUSE GOVERNMENT SAYS DRUG= BAD!"


Good thing my argument has nothing to do with the legality of drugs as I stated that throughout this thread or you might have a point.....

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I, personally still think recreational drugs are fairly idiotic,


I'm so glad we agree on something!! Now instead of replying how we somehow differ, just accept the fact ok?
#128 Jul 11 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
What have you done, Bard?

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#129 Jul 11 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Default
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What have you done, Bard?

I can't believe I used to think you were cool.


There is no coming back, I suggest suicide.
#130 Jul 11 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
That if a prescribed drug user is abusing a substance, then they are no different from a regular drug abuser.

Not that I have much stake in this conversation, but thought I'd fix that for ya.
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Almalieque wrote:

I'm so glad we agree on something!! Now instead of replying how we somehow differ, just accept the fact ok?

No, we don't agree.

I think drugs are stupid because they don't interest me. It's the same reason I think NASCAR, religion, and vaginas are stupid.

Unlike you, however, I don't try to use my opinion to influence others based on the premise "I DUN LIKIT"
#132 Jul 11 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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Allegory wrote:
Not that I have much stake in this conversation, but thought I'd fix that for ya.


Thanks, my bad...

See that Majivo?!?!

Bard wrote:
No, we don't agree.

I think drugs are stupid because they don't interest me. It's the same reason I think NASCAR, religion, and vaginas are stupid.

Unlike you, however, I don't try to use my opinion to influence others based on the premise "I DUN LIKIT"


You're so predictable.... Even when I tell you not to waste time trying to say how we are different, you do it anyway..

You said the following:

I, personally still think recreational drugs are fairly idiotic,

That is a generic statement of drug usage that applies to everyone. If you said "I don't like to use drugs" or "I personally still think it's idiotic for me to take recreational drugs" then you might have a point.

You went on to say

but I don't try to let that stop other people from doing something that they may learn from.

With an emphasis on "learn", which implies that they are doing something wrong, which supports why you think it's idiotic. That is different from simply not liking something.

I'm willing to bet that what happened here was that you were lurking on this thread and didn't say anything because you would be agreeing with me. When it appeared that I changed my position to something silly, you took that opportunity to state your opinion while making it known that we somehow differ.

An example is the following:

Unlike you, however, I don't try to use my opinion to influence others based on the premise "I DUN LIKIT"

If you were paying attention, you would recall that I was being asked multiple times to state my opinion with an explanation and was accused of not stating it clearly before. There was no opinionated influence in my original statement at all. You all asked for my opinion, now you are accusing me of forcing my opinions on others.

Just accept the fact that BARDALICIOUS AGREES WITH ALMALIEQUE

Matter of fact, I'm putting this glorious moment in my newly made sig....

That's twice, you must be one special character..
#133 Jul 11 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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Or you just want Bard to stick it in your pooper. That's what I'm betting on.
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Almalieque wrote:
My argument is and always was that taking drugs is stupid.


Well its a **** poor arguement.

I've had some of the best/most entertaining/eye-opening times of my life while in a total spoondangling mess from having ingested one or more drugs.

Why is that 'stupid'?

Have you tried any of them out?
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#135 Jul 11 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
Not that I have much stake in this conversation, but thought I'd fix that for ya.


Thanks, my bad...

See that Majivo?!?!

You admitted to not thinking through your vocabulary properly? Gee, this certainly destroys my point that you refuse to acknowledge that your entire argument is wrong.
#136 Jul 12 2010 at 12:00 AM Rating: Good
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I can't take someone's assessment of something being 'stupid' very seriously if they post multi-paragraph arguments on the internet.
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Paulsol wrote:
Well its a **** poor arguement.

No different than what Bard said.

That was more of a statement than an argument. My argument is actually explained throughout the thread.

Paulso wrote:
Why is that 'stupid'?

Have you tried any of them out?


Read above.... I've already answered those questions throughout the thread

See this Bard, perfect example.. People wanting me to explain my opinion and when I do, you charge me of forcing my opinion on people.

Majivo wrote:

You admitted to not thinking through your vocabulary properly? Gee, this certainly destroys my point that you refuse to acknowledge that your entire argument is wrong.


You made a claim that I don't admit to anything.. How can I admit to having an entire argument wrong on this thread, if it didn't happen yet? I'm simply showing you that I admit to errors as they come. If you really want to see me admit to something, go back in my older posts.

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I can't take someone's assessment of something being 'stupid' very seriously if they post multi-paragraph arguments on the internet.


Must suck living in the 19th century... I guess we can talk when you catch up in time...
#138 Jul 12 2010 at 4:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
Same concept, but that doesn't apply for drugs. Sexual urges are natural and will occur most of the time regardless. The urge to abuse substances to get high is not a natural feeling. You can very well go through life and not want to hallucinate.

Use does not mean abuse. Unless you consider anyone who drinks a few beers abusers. If not, you're simply stating that illegal drugs are bad due to the fact that they're illegal.
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#139 Jul 12 2010 at 5:08 AM Rating: Default
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Debalic wrote:
Use does not mean abuse. Unless you consider anyone who drinks a few beers abusers. If not, you're simply stating that illegal drugs are bad due to the fact that they're illegal.


True,

In this particular statement, it depends on how you look at it. I'm not claiming that I know the answer to this one, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What is the purpose of drinking alcohol? I would say the alcoholic substance is the reason.

Well, *some* drugs have healing purposes. If you're using it or even experimenting it for the purpose of getting high as opposed to it's medical reason, then I would say you could be considered an abuser.

Either way, the urge to trip is not a natural feeling.
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Almalieque wrote:
In this particular statement, it depends on how you look at it. I'm not claiming that I know the answer to this one, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What is the purpose of drinking alcohol? I would say the alcoholic substance is the reason.

Well, *some* drugs have healing purposes. If you're using it or even experimenting it for the purpose of getting high as opposed to it's medical reason, then I would say you could be considered an abuser.

Either way, the urge to trip is not a natural feeling.
Not answering a question 101.
Also, if it's not a natural feeling, why has humanity been using various forms of drugs for thousands of years?
#141 Jul 12 2010 at 6:09 AM Rating: Default
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Aethien wrote:
Also, if it's not a natural feeling, why has humanity been using various forms of drugs for thousands of years?


What is curiosity?

Every feeling we have isn't natural (meaning occurring without the need of human intervention)i.e., pain, hunger, thirst, etc. We develop many of our feelings as they are introduced to our 5 senses.


Edit: maybe I missed it, are you saying that I didn't answer a question? Or are you saying that you're not answering my question.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 3:27pm by Almalieque
#142 Jul 12 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
Almalieque wrote:
You went on to say

but I don't try to let that stop other people from doing something that they may learn from.

With an emphasis on "learn", which implies that they are doing something wrong, which supports why you think it's idiotic.


I don't have a dog in this fight, and my personal experience has been that drugs usually end up ruining peoples lives, but this line struck me. Saying that they may learn something doesn't imply that they are doing something wrong. Not even in the context of his post. I think you're grasping at straws here. I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but your trek there and your arguments surrounding it are weird. It seems like you're more interested in "proving" that other people here share your opinion than actually arguing anything factual.
#143 Jul 12 2010 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
maybe I missed it, are you saying that I didn't answer a question?
Not that I've given it a really thorough read, but you really haven't answered why you think it's stupid beyond saying, but's it's STUPID. oh and insisting you've explained it.

Also, I think you should take a bit more care with reading people's posts, because you've several times badly misread them. I like to think that you're doing it on purpose to troll, but I'm never sure with you.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 9:51am by Xsarus
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#144 Jul 12 2010 at 8:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
Aethien wrote:
Also, if it's not a natural feeling, why has humanity been using various forms of drugs for thousands of years?


What is curiosity?

Every feeling we have isn't natural (meaning occurring without the need of human intervention)i.e., pain, hunger, thirst, etc. We develop many of our feelings as they are introduced to our 5 senses.

LOLWUT?

Are you implying that mental thought and the firing of neurons is unnatural?


No wonder you resist it so much.
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Almalieque wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Use does not mean abuse. Unless you consider anyone who drinks a few beers abusers. If not, you're simply stating that illegal drugs are bad due to the fact that they're illegal.

True,

In this particular statement, it depends on how you look at it. I'm not claiming that I know the answer to this one, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What is the purpose of drinking alcohol? I would say the alcoholic substance is the reason.

Well, *some* drugs have healing purposes. If you're using it or even experimenting it for the purpose of getting high as opposed to it's medical reason, then I would say you could be considered an abuser.

Either way, the urge to trip is not a natural feeling.

Are you a sixteen year old straightedge chick?
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Almalieque wrote:
In this particular statement, it depends on how you look at it. I'm not claiming that I know the answer to this one, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What is the purpose of drinking alcohol? I would say the alcoholic substance is the reason.

Well, *some* drugs have healing purposes. If you're using it or even experimenting it for the purpose of getting high as opposed to it's medical reason, then I would say you could be considered an abuser.

Either way, the urge to trip is not a natural feeling.


Are suggesting that people drink alcohol for the taste? The purpose of drinking alcohol, with but precious few exceptions, is to get an alcohol buzz. Most alcoholic beverages are an "acquired taste", meaning that you develop an affinity for them only after you've had a decent share. I love a good oatmeal stout, but I wouldn't dare argue that I'd be an avid beer drinker if there wasn't a buzz involved.

To the rest of what you said: what does it matter whether it's a "natural" feeling or not? Something "naturally" occurring within us has nothing to do with whether or not it has merit. That's a strawman argument.
#147 Jul 12 2010 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
It's not so much about which drugs you're stung out on but whose.
#148 Jul 12 2010 at 3:53 PM Rating: Default
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I don't have a dog in this fight, and my personal experience has been that drugs usually end up ruining peoples lives, but this line struck me. Saying that they may learn something doesn't imply that they are doing something wrong. Not even in the context of his post. I think you're grasping at straws here. I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but your trek there and your arguments surrounding it are weird. It seems like you're more interested in "proving" that other people here share your opinion than actually arguing anything factual.


Well, in this particular instance I was trying to prove the similarity more so than my point, just to irritate Bard. People refuse to admit that they may agree with me and I think its quite funny. Which probably explains why my "arguments" around my point sounds weird. Part of it is because we've been hopping around on various topics. As soon as I believe that I solidified a point, I get hit with another unrelated point.

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Not that I've given it a really thorough read, but you really haven't answered why you think it's stupid beyond saying, but's it's STUPID. oh and insisting you've explained it.


I think you should take a bit more care with reading people's posts, because you've several times badly misread them. I like to think that you're doing it on purpose to troll, but I'm never sure with you.

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Also, I think you should take a bit more care with reading people's posts, because you've several times badly misread them. I like to think that you're doing it on purpose to troll, but I'm never sure with you.


No one has addressed any misinterpretation. I'm not perfect, so I will make mistakes. Tell me where and how I misread your comments and I will adjust my statements accordingly.



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Correction, Belkira addressed a "misinterpretation", but I didn't directly respond to it, because either interpretation doesn't change anything, because I was only joking with Bard anyway.

Bard wrote:

LOLWUT?

Are you implying that mental thought and the firing of neurons is unnatural?


No wonder you resist it so much.



Reread what I said. It is not natural before it appeals to one of your 5 senses. You will naturally feel hunger, but you wont have an urge to eat a Mc Donalds Double Quarter Pounder with cheese, until that sandwhich has appealed to one of your senses.

Let me reword my statement so we can stay on the concept and not argue about the wording.

There is no equivalent feeling for drugs such as hunger, thirst, tiredness, sex,etc. so you can not compare the two.

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Are you a sixteen year old straightedge chick?


How did you guess?

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Are suggesting that people drink alcohol for the taste? The purpose of drinking alcohol, with but precious few exceptions, is to get an alcohol buzz. Most alcoholic beverages are an "acquired taste", meaning that you develop an affinity for them only after you've had a decent share. I love a good oatmeal stout, but I wouldn't dare argue that I'd be an avid beer drinker if there wasn't a buzz involved.

To the rest of what you said: what does it matter whether it's a "natural" feeling or not? Something "naturally" occurring within us has nothing to do with whether or not it has merit. That's a strawman argument.


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What is the purpose of drinking alcohol? I would say the alcoholic substance is the reason.


Funny how we reading works. Thanks for supporting my argument.

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It's not so much about which drugs you're stung out on but whose.


Don't get high on your own supply.... you wont be a successful businessman that way

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 12:17am by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:

Bard wrote:

LOLWUT?

Are you implying that mental thought and the firing of neurons is unnatural?


No wonder you resist it so much.



Reread what I said. It is not natural before it appeals to one of your 5 senses. You will naturally feel hunger, but you wont have an urge to eat a Mc Donalds Double Quarter Pounder with cheese, until that sandwhich has appealed to one of your senses.

Let me reword my statement so we can stay on the concept and not argue about the wording.

There is no equivalent feeling for drugs such as hunger, thirst, tiredness, sex,etc. so you can not compare the two.

So what you're saying, is that if drugs didn't exist (and couldn't be seen/heard about/smelled, etc) then we wouldn't be curious about them?

I dunno about that one.
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Bard wrote:
So what you're saying, is that if drugs didn't exist (and couldn't be seen/heard about/smelled, etc) then we wouldn't be curious about them?

I dunno about that one.


Curiosity may still exist about a substance to skew your thinking, which would ultimately be a drug, but that curiosity isn't a feeling equivalent to hunger, thirst, etc. that naturally occurs to everyone regardless if they ever knew anything about food or water.

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 12:18am by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:

Debalic wrote:
Are you a sixteen year old straightedge chick?


How did you guess?

Your naieve, ignorant and mis-informed opinions, mostly.
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