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::Looks for Maxwell's Hammer::

Doctors are not only fallible, but too over work to keep up with all the information available on the medicines they Prescribe.

Most people don't take the time to look up the information available to them, whenever a doctor tells them to take a medication or make a change in life style. Which is a huge mistake.

I tend to be almost as well read on most of my medications as my doctors and sometime better informed, since I have far more time to look into them in depth then can. I had to tell doctors why I can't take a medicine they want to prescribe me and suggest alternatives that won't cause major side effects.

That's what I mean by being educated. You just don't sit around and trust someone else to have your best interest in mind. Then even I watch for side effects all the time no matter now long I've taken a medication. You body reactions due change over time and awareness is one best tool to prevent problems from developing.

What I've notice among most of the hard core recreation users on this board, is that they either care enough to be aware of the drugs effects on them or just don't care. Those who don't care don't last or earn respect of those who post here. Some smarten up thankfully, though we may miss there late night drunken posts.

I could, but why bother? Much like gbaji, you'll claim I only disagree with you because I'm being socially pressured into it, or some other ignorant crap. You both view yourselves as some sort of lone crusader, fighting against the tyranny of the forum regulars who seek to silence you. In reality you're both just really goddamn annoying, waging a war that everyone wishes you'd give up on already.


"I only argue what I'm sure about" = "I'm never going to admit I'm wrong, but I'll keep this thread going for 30 pages." I've never once seen you admit to being wrong on these boards, so either you're an incredibly smart guy (think we can discount this one) or you'll just too stubborn to admit to it.

You wont bother because you are unable to provide substance. The thread is less than 3 pages, so surely this is an easy task. The amount of time you placed in your responses could have been put in proving your point.

If you're going to make such a bold statement, then you should be ready to back it up. Else, even if you're right or wrong, don't say anything if you aren't willing to back it up.




You've never seen me admit to anything because you probably never read my posts. I would say that I've at least made one admittance in any thread that was over 20 pages and I know others can contest to that. Even in this thread I made a semi-admittance saying that if I did include meth and crack as a "gateway drug", then that was a mistake.

You're just on the bandwagon of insults... it's ok




So, what exactly is the consensus on this?

1. First, I state that the usage of drugs is stupid.

2. People counter to say well as long as they are taken responsibly, it's ok..

3. I agree to say, with the proper safety measures, i.e. from a doctor, it could very well be safe to use these drugs.

4. Now everyone is arguing with the implication that there is no safe way to take drugs and that all or most doctors are drug pushers or fail at their job.

If this isn't evidence of people just arguing against me in order not to agree with me, then I don't know what is.....

Just because a person is a doctor, doesn't mean they can't be a drug pusher/dealer. If people are only taking the necessary drugs for them prescribed by their legal binding doctors, then there can't be any drug pushers/dealers in the sense we are talking about.

Disagree.


Disagree with the implication that you need a doctor's advice to safely take some of these drugs.


Disagree with your persecution complex. See above where it is stated that you're simply a moron.


Disagree with the senseless and ultimately useless idealism in this quote. Sure, if people only do it this way, then there's no problem. But people aren't only going to do it that way so don't bother to ******* say it in the first place.

Fact: as long as there are prescription drugs, they're going to be sold on the street. Further fact: as long as there are people, they're going to find ways to get high. Denouncing it as "stupid" is just revealing your own closed-mindedness, and furthermore doesn't contribute a damn thing.

There, I've pointed out some things I disagree with. Feel free that I'm only doing it as part of the bandwagon though, since your fragile ego apparently can't handle people not liking you.

I still don't know who majivo is.

Get some ideological branding out there.

See, this is why you're so annoying. You insist on telling other people what they're thinking. You have only the most rudimentary grasp of the argument at hand and attempt to make up for it with sheer stubbornness, which doesn't have any value to anyone reading. In short, you're a blight on the forums.

Actually, my argument doesn't boil down to that at all.

There are irresponsible ways of doing everything from walking, talking to cooking. The difference between those things and drugs (especially "hard drugs") is their purpose. The purposes of the above mentioned activities along with their beneficial outcomes for proper utilization outweigh their negative counterparts.

What is the purpose of taking non prescribed meth or crack cocaine? The negative outcomes heavily outweigh any positive outcome. People admitted to personal hallucinogenic and high experiences. Well, it becomes stupid to want to take drugs for an unnecessary high with very little benefits given the various negative side effects that can occur.

Just like how we always hear about bans on personal fire arms, i.e. pistols, but we can theoretically kill anyone with almost anything. It's all about the purpose of the object.

Disclaimer: I'm not stating an opinion on fire arms, just stating what I see.




You talk the talk, but don't walk the walk and get upset when someone calls you out on it. You add zero substance to your posts then accuse me of "telling you what you think" based off the little information you gave me to work off of.

Great example is this very post. I displayed how you misquoted my statements and instead of agreeing or rebutting, you respond by calling me a blight. You added absolutely nothing to the conversation.

If you claim that you understand and disagree with my points, why don't you show it instead of talking about it?

Without crawling thru the entirety of the thicket of ignorant twaddle that has occurred over the last 3 pages I will just say that a very strong case can be made for the biggest threat to the health and safety of Americans being the legal pharmaceutical industry aided and abbetted by the FDA. Add in the legal alcohol and tobbacco industry and the case is inarguable.

A middle aged woman with a head full of prescribed Valium is more dangerous behind the wheel of her car than a pot smoker by several orders of magnitude.

You still sound like some sort of soft ****.


Edited, Jul 11th 2010 6:41am by paulsol

There are irresponsible prescription drug users, just like there are irresponsible illegal drug users. I don't see what you're trying to get at here.

That's actually a good argument *for* legalization.

Kind of like sex ed. Abstinence-only works until adolescence; at that point teenagers are going to start having sex, regardless. It's better to educate in the expectancy that it will happen, instead of demonizing, denying and casting a blind eye to the possibility.

Kind of sucks for Alma, though. It basically means his argument against drug experimentation is along the lines of "BECAUSE GOVERNMENT SAYS DRUG= BAD!"

I, personally still think recreational drugs are fairly idiotic, but I don't try to let that stop other people from doing something that they may learn from.

If anything, I want some drugs to be legalized so that we can tax them and begin in-depth long term studies of their usage/effects.

I would assume they lack the appropriate sample sizes to be considered noteworthy. Working with controlled/illegal substances is finicky.