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You made a justification of "as long as there is no significant harm". So the next big question is, who decides what is harm and how significant it is. To person A, getting drunk every weekend is no harm, to person B, it is harming not only person A, but the relationships with person A.

Which leads into the next question.



The country doesn't matter. The fact that multiple countries, who politics differ greatly, still ban certain drugs should tell you something. I mean, I can play this game if you want to deny the fact people in general don't approve of addictive substances that exponentially degrades your body. I'm sure the opinions of bio-chemists agree as they are the ones that put out the warnings against them in the first place. The politicians just run with it.

I don't necessarily buy the whole "gateway drug" drama, but at the same time, you can't talk about drugs in general, but really only refer to the "gateway drugs".

I've wondered about those too, so I don't scoff at that thought.
That's not to say that I want to try it, because the damage it would do to me (and possibly/probably other people) is too large for me to do it, I'd like to try some drugs and some I have no interest in or wouldn't want to try because of the risks involved. Where you draw the line for yourself is all up to you to decide.

Harming yourself is your own responsibility, it will also harm relationships with other people but that too is something I consider to be your own responsibility, where exactly to draw the line is a lot harder to determine and not something I can say.
Physically hurting other people is going too far of course, but there are so many things to consider and evaluate.

Doesn't hurt anyone other than the user, if people want to hurt themselves they're free to do so for all I care.

So why is it stupid? Please say something more than "It's stupid" and explain your dislike towards people using drugs.

You're right, where you draw your line is up to you, but at the same time, the subjectivity of stupidity decreases as you attempt to do more harm to yourself.



But this is why other people get involved, because they are also affected. When you are under the influence of a substance, legal or not, you are not in the right state of mind. You might actually do something to harm others, that is why drinking and driving is a big issue. I'm sure that most of the drunk drivers that killed people didn't do it purpose. I'm sure that they just went out with the intent to get drunk and not harm anyone else.

So, if you can take these drugs and be sober, then I would have less concern. But given the fact that the intent is to experience various forms of high, my opinions remain the same.

Being cool can have value - both internally and perceptually.

At the rate your killing brain cells your going to stop posting here really soon!

Who, me?

And...?

It's up to person B to manage his relationship with person A, assuming any relationship other than a dependent child. I would agree that it is irresponsible of parents to be in an altered state if they bear sole responsibility for small children.

I think that people who have never tried any sort of hallucinogen are missing out on a potentially great experience. I understand the fear; but aside from the fear of being caught doing something illegal, it's part of the experience.

Not everyone will or even should seek that experience, of course. It's similar to sky diving - it's really only worth doing if you're naturally curious about it. If you let yourself be pressured into it, you won't have a good time. Part of that equation, in my opinion, is that if you let yourself be pressured into it, you're not strong enough to handle it anyway.

You're right, it's not a popularity contest. It's based on the level of being dangerous. The average person would call most things "stupid" for being dangerous, but in reality, there are usually safety controls put in place.



As I stated before, I don't buy the "gateway drug" argument, so In my opinion, getting high or drunk off of "safe" (meaning wont kill you after one usage, i.e. Extacy or causes sever damage or addictiveness) shouldn't be banned either. I only think the "hard drugs" that do have those types of effects should be banned.





You taking "drugs" isn't what's "stupid", it's the fact that you want to hallucinate and not be in the right state of mind.



This would apply for the "gateway drugs" or drugs with no real harm. I'm sorry, but the reality is, no one wants to walk down the street and see crack heads, drunkards and people high off meth walking around. This has a domino effect in the community and as a result will always have a public interest. I would bet that this is part of the reason there are laws about public drunkenness or drinking in the streets.

As I stated above though, for the sake of this discussion, we have segregate the "no harm" drugs from the "harmful" drugs. You can't refer to the former, but simply state "drugs".

If you're simply referring to the "no harm" drugs, then I still think it's silly but I wouldn't object to your statements. If you're including drugs like meth, then I do object.



I've given my reasons multiple times. You're just expecting for a non-existing counter. The most objective counter to the usage of drugs is the percentage of harm to your body, if you dismiss that, then there's nothing else to say, which is cool, but don't pretend like I didn't say anything. If you seriously think that your curiosity outweighs stupidity, then fine, but that's not reality.




Actually there is a point where it is just stupid. Don't fool yourself with the "Ask any question because there is no dumb question" mentality. There are dumb questions just as there stupid activities in dealing with drugs, i.e. taking them.

And I still don't see why you think someone wanting to hallucinate is stupid.
What harm is there in someone using LSD or shrooms or other such drugs and experience those hallucinations if they take the proper precautions so they don't end up jumping off of a building or running in front of a train chasing bats or **** like that.