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#252 Jul 27 2010 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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Many parents these days grew up as gamers. Between my wife and I we have several dozen old gaming systems, going back to NES and Ataris and some other obscure shit she has. A Bally, maybe?


Yeah, the people that don't game now (especially the ones over 30) likely have never gamed, even when they were young and probably won't start up no matter what you throw at them. I'm almost as old as Nobby *gasp* and I've been gaming since I was around 10. Another woman (or man for that matter) that's my age and doesn't enjoy gaming now most likely never did.
#253 Jul 27 2010 at 9:58 PM Rating: Good
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I just get sick of hearing stuff like this. Sure, it holds true for "over all non-gamers," but why would you feel the need to single out females instead of just saying "over all non-gamers?"


Easy.

Since females play games too, they are the largest sub-group of "non-gamers" out there. You are much more likely to get your girlfriend/wife to play then you are any other group of the "non-gamers", i.e. someone 3-4 decades older than you.


That doesn't really make sense. Or, at least, I'm not sure I understand you. I mean, "there is a female gamer base (or so I'm told)" just seems rude and condescending to me.

It seems to me like people just sort of figure that racism is bad, but sexism, well, that's still perfectly socially acceptable.
#254 Jul 27 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira wrote:
That doesn't really make sense. Or, at least, I'm not sure I understand you. I mean, "there is a female gamer base (or so I'm told)" just seems rude and condescending to me.

It seems to me like people just sort of figure that racism is bad, but sexism, well, that's still perfectly socially acceptable.


I apologize for the "so I'm told" part. I didn't mean for it to be condescending. The problem with sexism is, it's really broad and cover areas such from blatant discrimination to using the word "policeman". Even though racism is more often than not referenced incorrectly, by definition, it's pretty cut and dry.

Either way, I do again apologize...
#255 Jul 27 2010 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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That doesn't really make sense. Or, at least, I'm not sure I understand you. I mean, "there is a female gamer base (or so I'm told)" just seems rude and condescending to me.

It seems to me like people just sort of figure that racism is bad, but sexism, well, that's still perfectly socially acceptable.


I apologize for the "so I'm told" part. I didn't mean for it to be condescending. The problem with sexism is, it's really broad and cover areas such from blatant discrimination to using the word "policeman". Even though racism is more often than not referenced incorrectly, by definition, it's pretty cut and dry.

Either way, I do again apologize...


Thank you.

And I think you're wrong about sexism vs. racism. I mean, didn't someone recently get pissy because some white guy was talking about a "black hole" and someone got offended...? Obviously that's about as racist as using the word "policeman" is sexist.
#256 Jul 27 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira wrote:
And I think you're wrong about sexism vs. racism. I mean, didn't someone recently get pissy because some white guy was talking about a "black hole" and someone got offended...? Obviously that's about as racist as using the word "policeman" is sexist.


That's exactly my point. Racism is more than often, just about majority of the time, used incorrectly. "Black hole" is not racist. People believe that simply referring to someone's race is racist. The definition of racism is the belief that one's race is inherently superior and/or inferior to another race.

On the other hand, using the word "man" in reference to the definition of a person and not sex can be seen as sexist.
#257 Jul 28 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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And I think you're wrong about sexism vs. racism. I mean, didn't someone recently get pissy because some white guy was talking about a "black hole" and someone got offended...? Obviously that's about as racist as using the word "policeman" is sexist.


That's exactly my point. Racism is more than often, just about majority of the time, used incorrectly. "Black hole" is not racist. People believe that simply referring to someone's race is racist. The definition of racism is the belief that one's race is inherently superior and/or inferior to another race.

On the other hand, using the word "man" in reference to the definition of a person and not sex can be seen as sexist.


Unless you're emphasizing the "man" part in an effort to exclude any women from entering that profession, no, it's not sexist.

But it's interesting that you think sexism shouldn't be a big deal because "it's too broad."
#258 Jul 28 2010 at 8:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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But it's interesting that you think sexism shouldn't be a big deal because "it's too broad."


Ha. Broad.
#259 Jul 28 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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I simply stated the legality as ammunition for the potential reason why it's illegal in order to...


Circular argument, much?

Edit: Yeah, I quoted some **** from the second page for the purpose of calling Alma stupid. Bite me.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 11:03am by BrownDuck
#260 Jul 28 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck wrote:
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I simply stated the legality as ammunition for the potential reason why it's illegal in order to...


Circular argument, much?

Edit: Yeah, I quoted some sh*t from the second page for the purpose of calling Alma stupid. Bite me.

Yeah, that conversation ended awhile ago; alma's a proper goose-stepping law abiding citizen who would never question the legality of a little harmless recreation.
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#261 Jul 28 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ya know, I was offered some grass the other day and I just said no. But then again, never been high or drunk so I'm not sure what I'm missing out on.
#262 Jul 28 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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Ya know, I was offered some grass the other day and I just said no. But then again, never been high or drunk so I'm not sure what I'm missing out on.

Good on you. Weed is illegal so it automatically makes you a criminal and ruins your life!
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#263 Jul 28 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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The other people in this building crack me up because they're always offering a hit to me. And we're all working. They all came back from stand up paddle boarding right now and now heading out again to the parking lot.
#264 Jul 28 2010 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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The other people in this building crack me up because they're always offering a hit to me. And we're all working. They all came back from stand up paddle boarding right now and now heading out again to the parking lot.

Can I get a job there? I'm sure I can learn to surf/"stand-up paddleboard" easily enough...
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#265 Jul 28 2010 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira wrote:
Unless you're emphasizing the "man" part in an effort to exclude any women from entering that profession, no, it's not sexist.

But it's interesting that you think sexism shouldn't be a big deal because "it's too broad."


It is taught that using "man" to refer to human is sexist language. I remember in college, there was an entire chapter on "sexist language" and I had to change any words that referred to a sex. This is also supported in writing tutorials.

English, just like many other languages, uses the male sex as the default when talking in general. My point was not that sexism wasn't a "big deal", but it is easier to make a sexist comment because it can be very broad and some people wouldn't consider what they said as sexist. This is the opposite of racist comments, people consider everything in reference to race as racist even though it's definition is very narrow.

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Almalieque wrote:
I simply stated the legality as ammunition for the potential reason why it's illegal in order to...



Circular argument, much?


It made sense when I first thought it and even when I reread it, but I do see the circularity in that statement now. Let me rephrase that to what I meant.

I simply stated the fact that it was illegal as ammunition to support the negative effects of drugs. These negative effects are potentially the reason why they are illegal, but I'm not making that connection, because I don't know and nor does it matter.

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Yeah, that conversation ended awhile ago; alma's a proper goose-stepping law abiding citizen who would never question the legality of a little harmless recreation.


Yes, because if you don't do something that just so happens to be against the law, it makes you a "proper goose stepping law abiding citizen who would never question the legality" of something.

It astounds me that there exist people who think drugs is just a "harmless recreation". LOL, oh kazham, you crack me up!
#266 Jul 28 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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English, just like many other languages, uses the male sex as the default when talking in general. My point was not that sexism wasn't a "big deal", but it is easier to make a sexist comment because it can be very broad and some people wouldn't consider what they said as sexist. This is the opposite of racist comments, people consider everything in reference to race as racist even though it's definition is very narrow.
Sexist and racist statements are largely a matter of perception. The wording of this is a bit strange, but if I understand correctly, you're saying someone might make a statement that they don't consider sexist, but other people would, and you attribute this to a broad definition. For sure that happens all the time, and it's all tied into the perception issue.

I probably wouldn't make a distinction from racism here though, as from what I've seen it really depends on the context you're in. This would apply exactly the same to race related statements, and I don't really see racism as having a narrower definition then sexism. Using your definition, you could just replace the word and you'd have an equivalent definition for sexism.

I think the main thing with these kinds of issues is that you have to be sensitive to the people around you.

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It astounds me that there exist people who think drugs is just a "harmless recreation"
The point was that taken properly drugs can be harmless recreation, which you agreed was possible, so I'm not sure why it astounds you Smiley: tongue

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 4:59pm by Xsarus
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#267 Jul 28 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
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xsarus wrote:
Sexist and racist statements are largely a matter of perception. The wording of this is a bit strange, but if I understand correctly, you're saying someone might make a statement that they don't consider sexist, but other people would, and you attribute this to a broad definition.


It's not that some people would consider it and others wouldn't, but by definition it is, but other people wouldn't consider it. I would not consider the word serviceman as sexist, but that is considered sexist language because it isolates a specific sex, even though the word "man" includes the definition of person as well as sex. So it literally has a broader definition.

Admittedly, you have a valid point that it isn't as broad as I originally claimed and perception does have a large role in the matter.

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I don't really see racism as having a narrower definition then sexism. Using your definition, you could just replace the word and you'd have an equivalent definition for sexism.


Although I admit that it isn't as broad as I originally claimed, I still support the belief that sexism contains more than racism. You are correct about the replacement of the "race" words will have an equivalent definition of sexism, but it is just that. It is only a definition, not all of the definitions or examples of it.

I took the liberty to look the both words up.

They both have the definition aforementioned followed by more definitions that basically say "anything that supports the above definition".

This is where the perception that you mentioned comes into play. Maybe its my own perception, but it appears to me that most activities that are done and considered "racists" are really not and that they are more forms of sexism, i.e. gender roles and sexist language that have valid arguments.

I will say that is my opinion and not a fact as implied earlier.

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The point was that taken properly drugs can be harmless recreation, which you agreed was possible, so I'm not sure why it astounds you


Because the statement implied otherwise. If we both agreed to the proper usage of drugs, then what was the purpose of the statement? It should have been worded where I acknowledged that fact, but instead, it was left out making it appear that I did not agree.



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#268 Jul 28 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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#269 Jul 28 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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#271 Jul 28 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
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#272Almalieque, Posted: Jul 29 2010 at 1:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's completely uncalled for, Xsarus was simply stating his point of view. No need to be so rude to him.
#273 Jul 29 2010 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
Almalieque is an attention *****; if you stop responding to the things he says he'll go away, just as he always has.
#274 Jul 29 2010 at 3:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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#275 Jul 29 2010 at 4:37 AM Rating: Default
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Kavekk wrote:
Almalieque is an attention *****; if you stop responding to the things he says he'll go away, just as he always has.


I say this all of the time (minus the attention ***** part) and yet we still end up at 20 pages..... that's because others like the game as well...
#276 Jul 29 2010 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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