Amnesty for illegalsFollow

Hehehe.... ok, then. Hey, Lindsay Lohan was sentenced to 90 days in jail so I predict the sun will rise tomorrow. I guess we'll know in about 8-10 hours how my prediction worked out.


Quite a few, actually. Hell, I've heard people ***** about it on this very forum but I'm more interested in people I've spoken to on a flesh 'n blood basis.

Since some of you seem to have forgotten. This is what I actually said:



This is the "action/result prediction". It's entirely about how the past amnesty would influence decisions made by future potential illegal immigrants and makes the reasonable assumption that all other factors aside it will make the decision to travel to and stay in the US illegally more attractive. How much more? Who knows. That wasn't the issue, only that it would be more attractive than if you hadn't granted an amnesty.




For those following along, this was *not* part of the prediction. This is what happened. And what happened followed the prediction. No one said that if we had an amnesty that in 12 years we'd have 12 million more illegals in the US. They simply said that if we had an amnesty, we'd have more illegals in the country down the line.

Which was true. At some point, you have to give credit for the guys who predicted what would happen. More to the point, it's legitimate to criticize the folks who said it wouldn't happen. That's what tends to get lost in all of this. All the arguments that X would have happened anyway fail to address the issue of those who argued that X wouldn't happen at all.



And this is the bit that Joph decided (predictably) to focus purely on the "but there are bigots out there!" approach. Um... Not the point. Conservatives oppose amnesty because it didn't work the last time. The degree to which it didn't work is kinda irrelevant, isn't it?

Actually my ex's stepfather used that term when talking about anyone of Mexican descent, That is all but the one guy he work which, in the classic "I have this one friend who is..." response.

He live in Escondido and was a classic bigot and sexist, who didn't like anyone who wasn't a WASP. Women where to stay home and have children, who were never allow to cry in his presence.

He was a good cook though and made great pickle peppers. Since he didn't have but a small plot next to the trailer, and always had to have something pickle with his meals, most of the peppers came from the same friends garden, up towards Valley Center. His Chicken Paprika and dumplings are just about the only thing I missed about him.

While I would assume that Joph was editorializing the exact phrasing, I myself have heard people grumbling about Mexican immigrants (and they don't usually use the word "illegal," either, but I've seen a few put air quotes around the word immigrants), and blaming them directly for having to "press 1 for English." They mumble something about being in America, and learning to speak English, and seem to think that having to press an extra number is somehow personally offensive, and is in some way detracting from this country. And almost all of them seem to think that English is the official language of this country. Which is just sad, really.

As a matter of fact, a couple of people are so pissed off about it, they wrote a horrible song about it. (The comments are priceless, too.) Some other people are so vexed about it, they made a website called http://www.dontpressoneforenglish.com. And here's another website with a blog all about how the "press one for English" thing is a direct result of the illegal immigrants.

How hard are you going to ride that when over in the Steele thread you claim this is what he meant to say, instead of what he actually said.

That's your problem Gbaji, you can't even keep your own ****** talk points together.

Yup, conservatives change with the times all right.

Mdenham,




and I'm going to predict that if we provide amnesty we're going to see this recession turn into a depression real quickly. Fortunatley for me people are always going to need insurance.

I was reading an article about the irrigation debate which stated that we currently have ~12 million illegal immigrants in the country. According to Gbaji, between 1984 and 1996, we skyrocketed to 12 million illegal immigrants because of Reagan's amnesty.

You know what this means, don't you? Clinton stopped any illegal immigration growth!

'Grats on not understanding a joke?

I don't care about the jobs issue. If an immigrant takes your job, try harder, or go do something else. We're capitolists damn it! I don't care about the race issue: I don't think we should be allowing ANY illegal immigration regardless of race or nationality. What I do care about is the security, tax and infrastructure issues.

You want to let more people into the country? Great, pass a law, change immigration standards (the democrats have enough votes they could make that stick if they really wanted) and let more people in. But do it so they go through a legal process, are registered for taxation purposes, and so we have a bit of information about who we are letting in. triple homicide conviction escaped prisoner? no, I don't think we need to let you in the country.

These people setting up illegal immigation highways into the country are just begging for someone to slip a few Al qaeda operatives through. They have already tried it before, didn't go so well that time, but who knows how many attempts did work out?

Really, there should be a method for someone to buy their citizinship here. Those illgeal immigrants you hear about who enter the country, make it big and then get caught? let em stay. charge them a fee, make them take the test and whatnot, but we should be rewarding those people and getting rid of the ones who are a drain on the system.