Amnesty for illegalsFollow

Anyone else listening to Obama lie his as* off about this?

Aethia,

I care because I have numerous friends, and even family, in the construction business.

Jophed,

No they're p*ssed illegals are devaluing their work.

I never met any illegal immigrants directly, but one of my coworkers back when I was in call center management had once managed a chicken plant. While most of the workers there were on valid visas, he suspect that a handful of them were there illegally, but he wasn't in the hiring position so had no way to prove it. Whether they were there legally or not, they were doing labor intensive work for a wage that no native-born American would touch - minimum wage to pluck and gut chickens.

Would you pluck chickens for $7.50/hour? If you never graduated high school, perhaps you'd settle for that wage. Since the vast majority of US citizens have their HS diploma or their GED, they consider that kind of grisly labor beneath them, especially for such a low wage. Maybe if the pay was twice as high they'd do it. But then, fresh chicken would have to cost twice as much in the grocery stores.

I've met lots of immigrants, but they were all legal. At ye olde call center, we had a staff of 3-4 native Spanish/English bilingual representatives, but they had long since obtained US citizenship. (Now two of them work at the county health department.) And since we're a college town, there are a great many people here on student visas.

Yet they advocate outsourcing tech and production jobs overseas to save money and keep Americans unemployed...

Good point, bright-bulb. Everyone knows the planet stops just south of Mexico.

Wait... you think Mexico stops at Panama??

Hahahahahaha....


It's funny because you're an idiot.

Right, of course. That's what you meant...


Riiiigggghhhttt...


Hahahahahahaha.

Yeah, you said that if we annexed Mexico we wouldn't have any more immigration problems and then once we annex Mexico we could take the Panama canal.

I get it -- you don't have a clue about the world.

Technically, he said we wouldn't have immigration problems, then you made fun of him for thinking the planet stops "just south of Mexico", then he responded by saying that we could take control of Panama as well. I took that as him saying that if we extended the policy of annexing poor countries south of Mexico we could take Panama as well.

It's a silly argument, but chucking out the middle section of it in order to make it seem as though Varus said something he didn't just drops you down to his level.


As to amnesty? People who are "true free market believers" do think minimum wage could or even should be eliminated. That we don't all argue for this has less to do with what we think would work better and a lot more to do with compromise and concession with all the people who *do* think minimum wages are important. Some of us have argued all along that wage protection doesn't work very well and certainly doesn't work in the long term. Every gain you make costs you somewhere else.

Jophed,



That's not what I said, here's what I said;



Where in this statement did I say Mexico was connected to the panama canal? The obvious reason I didn't include el salvador, nicaragua, honduras, or costa rica is they aren't real countries anyway. What do they have like a combined 3 cities between the 4 of them?

Debo,

So now i've said annexing mexico gives us control of the panama canal. Good lord it's a wonder the economy is in as good a shape as it is considering people like you vote.