The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
He is trying to "cure" lesbianism, whch is not a disease.
What makes you think lesbianism can't be a disease?
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What makes you think lesbianism can't be a disease?
MentalFrog wrote:
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
He is trying to "cure" lesbianism, whch is not a disease.
What makes you think lesbianism can't be a disease?
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The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
Ok, I'm not against the whole "screening for birth defects" thing. It would be good to know what to expect, I suppose. If there's a way to cure said defect with GenEng, I suppose that's okay, too. But the guy in the OP is not doing that. He is trying to "cure" lesbianism, whch is not a disease. Where do we draw the line as to what needs "cured"? Eye color? Hair color? I admit, I Godwin'd this thread, but discussions on GenEng inevatably "go there" because GenEng itself has the potential to "go there".
Notice my wording there, in relation to the below.
Majivo wrote:
The fact that we do not yet have a line drawn in the sand doesn't mean it is impossible to make one. These concerns are rather overblown since it's not as though we're going in and manipulating individual genes right now; we're only screening for defects and allowing for the possibility for abortion if there's something severe (Down's syndrome, for example). As far as being able to choose eye and hair color, well, why not? It's not as though society would suffer from these changes. We have a vested interest in not allowing you to choose your child's gender, but if you want to tweak your kid's genes to make them a little smarter here, a bit more athletic there, then why should we stop you? It's positive for society overall, as long as you aren't risking serious complications for the sake of giving your kid blue eyes or something. Eugenics used to have serious negative implications because it meant killing off undesirables, or at least preventing them from breeding. What's the harm here?
I think part of my uneasyness with this is that the two things bolded in your statement, I would consider the same.
The One and Only ShadorVIII wrote:
Majivo wrote:
The fact that we do not yet have a line drawn in the sand doesn't mean it is impossible to make one. These concerns are rather overblown since it's not as though we're going in and manipulating individual genes right now; we're only screening for defects and allowing for the possibility for abortion if there's something severe (Down's syndrome, for example). As far as being able to choose eye and hair color, well, why not? It's not as though society would suffer from these changes. We have a vested interest in not allowing you to choose your child's gender, but if you want to tweak your kid's genes to make them a little smarter here, a bit more athletic there, then why should we stop you? It's positive for society overall, as long as you aren't risking serious complications for the sake of giving your kid blue eyes or something. Eugenics used to have serious negative implications because it meant killing off undesirables, or at least preventing them from breeding. What's the harm here?
I think part of my uneasyness with this is that the two things bolded in your statement, I would consider the same.
I'm not sure why that matters. It may sound cruel for me to say that, but if I wanted to have a baby but didn't have the time or money to take care of a kid with Down's Syndrome for the rest of my life, and I could find out if that were possible and abort early and try again, is that really so bad...?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm not sure there should be a line. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but what does it matter, really? Of course lesbianism isn't a disease, but it might be better for the kid if their parents are such rabid homophobes that they would go to such lengths to try to ensure the kid won't be a homosexual.
I'd hate to think all of our gay marriage threads were for nothing.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm not sure there should be a line. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but what does it matter, really? Of course lesbianism isn't a disease, but it might be better for the kid if their parents are such rabid homophobes that they would go to such lengths to try to ensure the kid won't be a homosexual.
I'd hate to think all of our gay marriage threads were for nothing.
Heehee. But think of all of the homosexual designer babies! And, really, I think it's pretty obvious that there would be people completely opposed to this who wouldn't do it at all, people who don't care if their kid is gay, people who won't screen for diseases that aren't fatal.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
What about drugs to promote bisexualism in females?
Lesbianism is a sick perverted disease that needs to be eliminated.
Actually, I take that back. If we eliminate lesbians, sales for plaid shirts and doc martens will plummet, sending the US into another financial crisis.
Edited, Jun 30th 2010 3:05pm by Bardalicious
Actually, I take that back. If we eliminate lesbians, sales for plaid shirts and doc martens will plummet, sending the US into another financial crisis.
Edited, Jun 30th 2010 3:05pm by Bardalicious
Majivo wrote:
As far as being able to choose eye and hair color, well, why not? It's not as though society would suffer from these changes.
We don't know what other traits may be tied in with these. It's not a genetic 1:1 correspondence, most of the time.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm arguing in principle here. In practice I doubt we'll ever understand the genome well enough to do all of this, but if we could, without side effects, then I can't see why we shouldn't.
Liberals,
You already think it's ok to murder a fetus so what's the big deal about this?
You already think it's ok to murder a fetus so what's the big deal about this?
We also believe there's a difference between an aborted 8 week old fetus and a to-term designer baby that's actually going to have to live in this world.
I say we get cracking on a pill that will produce raging super lesbians to counter this.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
blather
You can promptly get the hell out of this thread.
MDenham wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
blather
You can promptly get the hell out of this thread.
So you're saying you're a conservative?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Liberals,
You already think it's ok to murder a fetus so what's the big deal about this?
You already think it's ok to murder a fetus so what's the big deal about this?
Debalic wrote:
MDenham wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
blather
You can promptly get the hell out of this thread.
So you're saying you're a conservative?
Edited, Jun 30th 2010 10:25pm by bsphil
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Debalic wrote:
MDenham wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
blather
You can promptly get the hell out of this thread.
So you're saying you're a conservative?
I argue with gbaji and Varus because they're horrible examples more than anything else.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
You already think it's ok to murder a fetus so what's the big deal about this?
If it's a gay fetus, that makes it a hate crime.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
MDenham wrote:
Debalic wrote:
MDenham wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
blather
You can promptly get the hell out of this thread.
So you're saying you're a conservative?
I argue with gbaji and Varus because they're horrible examples more than anything else.
That was supposed to be a joke, going on the assumption that you were indeed a liberal who happened to be against abortion and the current topic under discussion.
But, as stated elsewhere, I'm a moron.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Jophiel wrote:
knoxxsouthy wrote:
You already think it's ok to murder a fetus so what's the big deal about this?
If it's a gay fetus, that makes it a hate crime.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Tarub wrote:
I say we get cracking on a pill that will produce raging super lesbians to counter this.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Lesbianism is neither a disease, nor unsightly.
Aripyanfar wrote:
Lesbianism is neither a disease, nor unsightly.
Not only that, but I'd venture to guess that chicks with enormous ***** actually enjoy life more.
Doesn't the fact that these people think they can cure this while the child is in the womb prove that a child is born gay rather than it being a learned behaviour?
I know I just blew your minds.
I know I just blew your minds.
knoxxsouthy wrote:
Doesn't the fact that these people think they can cure this while the child is in the womb prove that a child is born gay rather than it being a learned behaviour?
I know I just blew your minds.
I know I just blew your minds.
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