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#27 Jun 23 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Go down to where they hand out the food stamps and welfare checks in a suit and tie and yell out immigration and watch them scatter.

They'd probably turn and laugh at me. You watch way too many movies.
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#28 Jun 23 2010 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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You mus spend a lot of time in line for cheese, varus.
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#29 Jun 23 2010 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

Do it and see. I guarantee you'd have over half of them run in terror.

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Well, shit. I mean if you guarantee it...

Heh.
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#31 Jun 23 2010 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Jophed,

Do it and see. I guarantee you'd have over half of them run in terror.

Do it, have someone record it on video and post the movie on youtube please.
#32 Jun 23 2010 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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Jophed,

Do it and see. I guarantee you'd have over half of them run in terror.

Do it, have someone record it on video and post the movie on youtube please.

Never happen. Repubs never get caught doing something stupid on video.
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#33 Jun 23 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Illegal immigrants can get welfare cheques? Or are we talking about ones with false papers, who probably aren't leaving the state as they have documentation?
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#34 Jun 23 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I currently work in a warehouse where at least half the people working there are illegal immigrants. Some were born here, and many came here immediately after the laws in Arizona passed. (by here I mean Texas.) They left even if they were legal, because they didn't want to be subject to racial profiling and the like.

I gotta say, if they were to pass similar laws here, I'd be the only guy left working there, literally-- and the company that owns the warehouse would likely go out of business seeing how their production would come to a complete stop.
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#35 Jun 23 2010 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I currently work in a warehouse where at least half the people working there are illegal immigrants.





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Some were born here


and here I thought someone who was born in the US was an american citizen.


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and many came here immediately after the laws in Arizona passed. (by here I mean Texas.) They left even if they were legal, because they didn't want to be subject to racial profiling and the like.




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gotta say, if they were to pass similar laws here, I'd be the only guy left working there, literally


Didn't you just say that half were illegals? Wouldn't it stand to reason that the rest are not? And if that's true wouldn't you rather be paid the fair market value for your work rather than have your hard work devalued because the company is hiring illegals for less than the fair market value?

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and the company that owns the warehouse would likely go out of business seeing how their production would come to a complete stop


Or they would have to start paying the fair market value for the work being done.





Edited, Jun 23rd 2010 6:02pm by knoxxsouthy
#36 Jun 23 2010 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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Or they would have to start paying the fair market value for the work being done.
See I agree with this, but I don't understand why you'd put this on the people doing the work rather then the people hiring. Trying to address the problem by trying to get rid of illegals directly seems to be a largely futile task. Pretending that the companies are just helpless and just have to hire illegals seems absurd. The competition factor is of course there, but if something is enforced across the board it wouldn't be an issue.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2010 5:10pm by Xsarus
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#37 Jun 23 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
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Qualifier: "Some"

I don't expect reading comprehension to be your strong point. You guys must be incredibly bored to make conversation with this person on a daily basis.
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#38 Jun 23 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
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I don't expect reading comprehension to be your strong point. You guys must be incredibly bored to make conversation with this person on a daily basis.


It is rather amusing watching Thiefx and Varus act like complete numb skulls and rather resort to calling names than actually giving sound evidence to their issues with the current subject. Heck I was tempted about making some comments about Varus being out in the sun too long or about okra but honestly it has been said before by others and most of the people that read this forum probably think about them in the same way.
#39 Jun 24 2010 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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Jophed,

Go down to where they hand out the food stamps and welfare checks in a suit and tie and yell out immigration and watch them scatter.

Yeah, because most immigration officers dress like businessmen / 1940's gumshoes.
#40 Jun 24 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
Crimmy,

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Varus act like complete numb skulls and rather resort to calling names than actually giving sound evidence to their issues with the current subject


Smiley: laugh That's precious.


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Heck I was tempted about making some comments about Varus being out in the sun too long or about okra



I'm curious; how many people do you employ?

For that matter I'm curious how many other small business owners frequent this forum.





#41 Jun 24 2010 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
Lubi,

Illegals see a white man dressed in a suit and tie flashing some kind of badge while yelling "immigration" and they will scatter like cockroaches.

Don't believe me? Just try it.

#42 Jun 24 2010 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Timey,

Why do you support the slave trade?



Because I enjoy being carted around on a palanquin.
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#43 Jun 24 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
I'm curious; how many people do you employ?

For that matter I'm curious how many other small business owners frequent this forum.
We employ about 1500 people that we manage over. Including companies we're heavily invested in but do not directly run, that increases by 500 more. Approx.
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#44 Jun 24 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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So YOU don't employ anyone. That's all you had to say.

I'm truly curious how many small businessmen participate in this forum.

#45 Jun 24 2010 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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Varus, since you keep harping on "paying the fair market value for the work being done" why is it okay then to pay slave wages to call centers in India? Wouldn't it help the domestic economy if we put our own home-bred technical specialists to work?
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#46 Jun 24 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
Debo,

What do you mean by slave wage? I'm quite sure the people handling tech support in india would much rather be sitting in ac on the phone rather than slaving away in the fields.

No need to ask whether you're an employer or not.




Edited, Jun 24th 2010 12:37pm by knoxxsouthy
#47 Jun 24 2010 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Ugly,

So YOU don't employ anyone. That's all you had to say.

I'm truly curious how many small businessmen participate in this forum.

I don't think you fully understood his post.
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#48 Jun 24 2010 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Debo,

What do you mean by slave wage? I'm quite sure the people handling tech support in india would much rather be sitting in ac on the phone rather than slaving away in the fields.

No need to ask whether you're an employer or not.




Edited, Jun 24th 2010 12:37pm by knoxxsouthy
Yeah, Debo. They're not in abject poverty. Just nearly so. Sheesh.

More to the point, though, your response didn't clarify whether you support hiring dirt-cheap, low-paid foreign employees for far, far less than is a legal wage in the States. And I don't reckon you will. You clearly don't care about anyone that isn't a business owner yourself.
#49 Jun 24 2010 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
Xarus,

You mean this one?

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We employ about 1500 people that we manage over. Including companies we're heavily invested in but do not directly run, that increases by 500 more. Approx.


Sounds to me like he's mid-level management, if that.
#50 Jun 24 2010 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
Yea, and just how many do you employ Varrus?

I'm not talking about your pyramid insurance scheme either.
#51 Jun 24 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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More to the point, though, your response didn't clarify whether you support hiring dirt-cheap, low-paid foreign employees for far, far less than is a legal wage in the States. And I don't reckon you will. You clearly don't care about anyone that isn't a business owner yourself.
If they're being paid a fair wage given cost of living, what's the problem? I see a big problem if people are taking advantage of the disenfranchised by paying less then they should, but lets not pretend that it's somehow wrong to pay someone 10x less if the cost of living is 10x lower.
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