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#1 Jun 22 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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So the big cheese general (McChrystal) in charge of Afghanistan is getting called to Washington after a profile of him in Rolling Stone had comments from he and his staff badmouthing a bunch of important people, including other military folks, the VP, and several senators. While part of me thinks this seems like an overreaction (so he doesn't like his boss or coworkers? Who does!?), part of me also wonders what the hell this guy was thinking. How do you get to be a general and not know to keep snide comments to yourself... especially around reporters? It's silly too, because Obama has actually worked with this guy, increasing troops levels in Afghanistan as per his recommendation. This general is also one of those folks who knew about and covered up Pat Tillman's death by friendly fire in 2008; I wonder if he'll get a third chance?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/21/mcchrystal-says-ambassador-betrayed-criticism-afghan-war-strategy/ wrote:
McChrystal Apologizes for Remarks in Profile, Summoned to White House
The top U.S. war commander in Afghanistan is being called to the White House for a meeting with President Obama after issuing an apology Tuesday for an interview in which he took shots at top administration officials and his staff described the president as unprepared for their first one-on-one encounter.

In the article in this week's issue of Rolling Stone, Gen. Stanley McChrystal also said he felt betrayed and blind-sided by his diplomatic partner, Ambassador Karl Eikenberry.

McChrystal's comments are reverberating through Washington and the Pentagon after the magazine depicted him as a lone wolf on the outs with many important figures in the Obama administration.

It characterized him as unable to convince some of his own soldiers that his strategy can win the nation's longest-running war and dejected that the president didn't know about his commendable military record.

In Kabul on Tuesday, McChrystal issued a statement saying: "I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened."

McChrystal has been called to the White House Situation Room on Wednesday to explain his comments to the magazine directly to the president, a senior administration official told Fox News. Normally, he would appear on a conference call for a regular strategy session.

The general was making a flurry of calls and decisions in the wake of the article's publication. Fox News has learned that he fired the press aide, Duncan Boothby, who booked the interview. McChrystal also called Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen late Monday to apologize. Mullen told the general he was deeply disappointed, according to a senior military official at the Pentagon.

He has since spoken with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass, both of whom were described as attention-seekers by an aide in the article. Kerry said afterward that he has "enormous respect" for the general, while a spokesman for Afghan President Hamid Karzai reportedly said Karzai "strongly supports" McChrystal and his strategy.

McChrystal is expected to reach Washington early Wednesday.

The article says that although McChrystal voted for Obama, the two failed to connect from the start. Obama called McChrystal on the carpet last fall for speaking too bluntly about his desire for more troops.

"I found that time painful," McChrystal said in the article, on newsstands Friday. "I was selling an unsellable position."

It quoted an adviser to McChrystal dismissing the early meeting with Obama as a "10-minute photo op."

"Obama clearly didn't know anything about him, who he was. The boss was pretty disappointed," the adviser told the magazine.

Obama agreed to dispatch an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan only after months of study that many in the military found frustrating. The White House's troop commitment was coupled with a pledge to begin bringing them home in July 2011, in what counterinsurgency strategists advising McChrystal regarded as an arbitrary deadline.

McChrystal said Tuesday, "I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome."

The profile, titled "The Runaway General," emerged from several weeks of interviews and travel with McChrystal's tight circle of aides this spring.

It includes a list of administration figures said to back McChrystal, including Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, and puts Vice President Joe Biden at the top of a list of those who don't.

The article claims McChrystal has seized control of the war "by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House."

Asked by the Rolling Stone reporter about what he now feels of the war strategy advocated by Biden last fall – fewer troops, more drone attacks – McChrystal and his aides reportedly attempted to come up with a good one-liner to dismiss the question. "Are you asking about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal reportedly joked. "Who's that?"

Biden initially opposed McChrystal's proposal for additional forces last year. He favored a narrower focus on hunting terrorists.

"Biden?" one aide was quoted as saying. "Did you say: Bite me?"

Another aide reportedly called White House National Security Adviser Jim Jones, a retired four star general, a "clown" who was "stuck in 1985."

Some of the strongest criticism, however, was reserved for Richard Holbrooke, Obama's special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"The boss says he's like a wounded animal," one of the general's aides was quoted as saying. "Holbrooke keeps hearing rumors that he's going to get fired, so that makes him dangerous."

If Eikenberry had doubts about the troop buildup, McChrystal said he never expressed them until a leaked internal document threw a wild card into the debate over whether to add more troops last November. In the document, Eikenberry said Afghan President Hamid Karzai was not a reliable partner for the counterinsurgency strategy McChrystal was hired to execute.

McChrystal said he felt "betrayed" and accused the ambassador of giving himself cover.

"Here's one that covers his flank for the history books," McChrystal told the magazine. "Now, if we fail, they can say 'I told you so."'

There was no immediate response from Eikenberry. The Associated Press requested comment through an aide after business hours Monday in Kabul.

Eikenberry remains in his post in Kabul, and although both men publicly say they are friends, their rift is on full display.

McChrystal and Eikenberry, himself a retired Army general, stood as far apart as the speakers' platform would allow during a White House news conference last month.

#2 Jun 22 2010 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
lmao...f*ck those panzy as* liberal b*tches. Go whine to someone else.



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#3 Jun 22 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
In fairness, the truly damning comments come from the general's staff. Nothing that the general himself stated, as I read it, reached the level of "foolish".
#4 Jun 22 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Pretty stupid of the aides to just blather on about what sounds like internal griping etc. /facepalm
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#5 Jun 22 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pretty stupid of the aides to just blather on about what sounds like internal griping etc. /facepalm

I agree. Always know who is around when you let your hair down. It's no different in any work environment.
#6 Jun 22 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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The editor of Rolling Stone was on Morning Joe today (so I heard, this is second hand) and mentioned that the reporter was only supposed to spend a day or two with McChrystal & Co but the volcano in Europe which grounded all the flights meant he spent closer to a month in their company. I wonder if the guys didn't just get used to the reporter guy being around and kind of lower their filters. Not that it excuses anything but it might explain it.

I haven't read the article but from the excerpts I've seen the people involved sound more petulant and whiny than anything else.

Regardless of what comments may be attributed directly to McChrystal, having his direct staff act like a bunch of immature teenage pizza workers ******** about management reflects extremely poorly on him. Also, this isn't the first time he's tried to influence policy via the press. I'd sleep just as well at night if he was to lose his job.
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#7 Jun 22 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
I'd sleep just as well at night if he was to lose his job.

Yeah, but then I don't think anyone would expect you to sleep better knowing an effective commanding general was in charge instead of a political hack in favor with the president.
#8 Jun 22 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
an effective commanding general was in charge instead of a political hack in favor with the president.

(A) He has that job because the president put him there
(B) Knowing when to keep your yap shut and keeping your subordinates yaps shut is part of being "effective"
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#9 Jun 22 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
(A) He has that job because the president put him there[...]

... not knowing what he was getting in to, par for the course.

Jophiel wrote:
(B) Knowing when to keep your yap shut and keeping your subordinates yaps shut is part of being "effective"[...]

... when results aren't your aim.
#10 Jun 22 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
(A) He has that job because the president put him there[...]

... not knowing what he was getting in to, par for the course.

So he should have expected this guy to run his mouth, be ineffectual at leading his staff and lack understanding of how the chain of command works?

Well! Let's make sure we keep him on then!

If this is the only guy in the entire armed forces who can run the show over there, we're already fucked.

Edit: Buzz is that he's almost certainly out.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 3:31pm by Jophiel
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#11 Jun 22 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
(A) He has that job because the president put him there[...]

... not knowing what he was getting in to, par for the course.

So he should have expected this guy to speak his mind, employ staff that act like any other employees in the world dealing with irrational corporate directives and not let protocol get in the way of the mission?

Well! Let's make sure we keep him on then!

I agree completely.
#12 Jun 22 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Edit: Buzz is that he's almost certainly out.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2010 3:31pm by Jophiel

I think that was pretty much a given. So goes the down side of having a politically motivated civilian command structure.
#13 Jun 22 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
So he should have expected this guy to speak his mind, employ staff that act like any other employees in the world dealing with irrational corporate directives and not let protocol get in the way of the mission?

Well! Let's make sure we keep him on then!

I agree completely.

Are you tired? That was unusually weak.
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#14 Jun 22 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Are you tired? That was unusually weak.

Consider it a response in kind. Your characterizations were equally as weak.
#15 Jun 22 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, if you say so but I'm sincerely curious. A comparison to corporate culture was the best you could do? If the ACME Widgets Director of African Sales (and his staff) were all quoted in Forbes talking about how the ACME Widgets CEO was incapable and blaming the board of directors for not selling enough widgets in Africa, how long do you think he'd keep his job?

And, me, personally, I'd hold the military to a higher standard than crying about "irrational corporate directives" on the record.

But, yeah... ummm.... keep responding in kind?
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#16 Jun 22 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
I think *** Kickers Incorporated is a perfect analogy. The product is different, but the organizational structure is the same, and the operational objectives are analogous. The biggest difference is that the control apparatus in one is motivated by the success of the organization. With this government that's just not the case.
#17 Jun 22 2010 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, yeah... wah, wah the administration just doesn't care about the war, etc etc.

Stock talking points aside, even if that was the case then you could replace McChrystal with a glass of lemonade and it wouldn't matter. So he's not really essential to anything.

As for complaining about the civilian command structure, if you're looking for a nation where the military is not beholden to to civilian government, there's a whole host of Latin American, Sub-Sahara African and Southeast Asian nations jut waiting for your immigration papers.
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#18 Jun 22 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
Moe,

Joph's just b*tthurt that the general has the nerve to have people on his staff who openly express what a joke Obama, and his cabinet, is.

#19 Jun 22 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Joph's just b*tthurt

Hehehe... the irony is what makes it awesome.
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#20 Jun 22 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Yeah, yeah... wah, wah the administration just doesn't care about the war, etc etc.
It has nothing to do with that, in my opinion.
#21 Jun 22 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
In fairness, the truly damning comments come from the general's staff. Nothing that the general himself stated, as I read it, reached the level of "foolish".


And as mentioned in the article he's already fired the press aide who booked the Rolling Stone reporter. Seems like a good idea a little late: roll some heads before yours goes! Looks like his staff was an issue over all, not just the press aide; ah well, everyone needs a guy to take a fall.
#22 Jun 22 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like his staff was an issue over all, not just the press aide; ah well, everyone needs a guy to take a fall.

McChrystal was given a copy of the article before press time and signed off on it. He knew exactly what was in there, exactly what would be published and "Actually, his staff said it" isn't much of a defense.
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#23 Jun 22 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Moe,

Joph's just b*tthurt that the general has the nerve to have people on his staff who openly express what a joke Obama, and his cabinet, is.


I think the idea is that you're in the military so you keep your damn opinions to yourself and do the job your superiors tell you to do. If you have a legitimate complaint and you're the leading man, you take it to the Command in Chief directly, and don't make snide comments around reporters. Isn't that what the military is known for? In fact, isn't undermining the CiC's authority punishable by court marshaling?

I'm not sure if you've read the comments. He (and/or his staff) does make fun of Biden, but has a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton. I don't think any described Obama as a joke, though.
#24 Jun 22 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
Locked,

They sure had fun at the expense of a couple of Obama's appointments.
#25 Jun 22 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
Locked,

They sure had fun at the expense of a couple of Obama's appointments.


Yup, and at some elected officials as well. And now the fun is over and McChrystal submitted his resignation. Obviously it was a bad idea; if you're in the military you don't badmouth your superiors, especially with a reporter around.
#26 Jun 22 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
Locked,

Unless of course your plan was to get fired so as to distance yourself from the f*cked up plan Obama is planning on going ahead with.

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