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#102 Jun 25 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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#103 Jun 26 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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That’s not what I meant. By playing along, I mean I’m not getting upset or emotional by stupid comments, because I know that is the intent of your statements. The opposite of that would be for me to get upset and offended, that is what you really want me to do.

I think it's silly how you keep telling us what we want from you. We antagonized you; you got muted. I think that's funny. I think most other OOT regulars found that funny. OOT got what it wanted.

You're also being fairly self-centered here. I told you before that this isn't about you. The OOT isn't out to get you; the OOT is out to entertain itself. If that involves you having an emotional breakdown, OOT would like that. If it involves you ironically being punished for something we opaquely provoked, OOT would also like that. If you became a legitimately contributing member who found us new and hilarious pictures of cats, OOT would like that. OOT doesn't care who, OOT doesn't care how.
#104 Jun 26 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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The OOT isn't out to get you; the OOT is out to entertain itself. If that involves you having an emotional breakdown, OOT would like that. If it involves you ironically being punished for something we opaquely provoked, OOT would also like that. If you became a legitimately contributing member who found us new and hilarious pictures of cats, OOT would like that. OOT doesn't care who, OOT doesn't care how.


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#105 Jun 26 2010 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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If I was such an attention *****, then I would double and triple post all the time like you do.


I hardly ever purposely double post. I did this time, because I separated like comments to make 2 small relative posts as opposed to one large post discussing different topics.

Edit: how do I get my signature back?

You can probably recreate your signature in the normal way.
#106 Jun 26 2010 at 2:42 AM Rating: Default
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Allegory wrote:

I think it's silly how you keep telling us what we want from you. We antagonized you; you got muted. I think that's funny. I think most other OOT regulars found that funny. OOT got what it wanted.

You're also being fairly self-centered here. I told you before that this isn't about you. The OOT isn't out to get you; the OOT is out to entertain itself. If that involves you having an emotional breakdown, OOT would like that. If it involves you ironically being punished for something we opaquely provoked, OOT would also like that. If you became a legitimately contributing member who found us new and hilarious pictures of cats, OOT would like that. OOT doesn't care who, OOT doesn't care how.


Correction, me getting mute is just a bonus. That wasn't the intent. You said yourself that OOT wants to entertain itself by having others go through emotional breakdowns. Your intent was not for me to get muted but to react to your trolling. How can you do that if the person can't respond? What's the point of trolling if the person can't respond? The two can't co-exist at the same time.
#107 Jun 26 2010 at 2:51 AM Rating: Default
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The two can't co-exist at the same time.


Yeah they can.

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 4:52am by titinipple
#108 Jun 26 2010 at 3:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah they can.


You can't troll a muted person, because the muted person can't respond. There is no way of knowing if your trolling is successful under that circumstance.

That is not to say that having that person muted isn't funny or an acceptable conclusion as well, such as, "I'm trolling you, but I would love for you to get muted".
#109 Jun 26 2010 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
They were trolling you, so you are the [original] victim. You were then muted, the [first] victim, on your own thread.

Personally, if I was trolling someone, on a thread they started, and they, not I, were to get muted, I would consider that a win. And honestly, I'm not trying to troll you, but you seem like you either a) are acting like you don't understand this / this isn't what happened / this isn't logical\doesn't make sense, or b) you're actually dumb enough to not realize how/think the 'trollers' should be enjoying the fact that you got muted. I'm leaning towards a.


Edit: Also, I don't think it matters weather or not you can troll someone who is muted. That was never debated. However, you were trolled and as an eventuality of that you were muted. This would be considered an effect of you getting trolled; you couldn't post because the troll, thus you were in the process of being trolled the entire 24 hours.

Here's a metaphor.
A bully punches a kid at school. All the other kids see. The kid who was punched wasn't hurt by the blow, but all the other students saw and made fun of him. The bully intended to hurt the kid, but didn't. Instead he caused the kid to get ridiculed by his schoolmates. The bully is still successful because he caused the kid some form of unhappiness (ignoring the unhappiness associated with being punched), even though his original goal of causing the kid physical pain was unsuccessful.

You are the kid who got punched.
The trollers are the bully.
Everyone else are the kids making fun of you (the kid who got punched).
You getting muted represents the kids laughing at the bullied kid.

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 5:50am by titinipple
#110 Jun 26 2010 at 4:35 AM Rating: Default
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They were trolling you, so you are the [original] victim. You were then muted, the [first] victim, on your own thread.


As stated before, I'm not a "victim". Posters responses are very predictable, that is why I post. I post knowing that you will respond a certain way in order for me to have fun. Your trolling is done with the same intent, hoping that I will respond in a certain way. So, if I'm a "victim", then likewise, you are a "victim".

Here's a metaphor:

You state that you're living "Pay-check to pay-check" and need to find something to do to get a little cash. I know that you're thievish, but at the same time has too much pride to ask for money. As a result, I purposely leave out a few dollars on my desk knowing that you will steal it. You steal the money and pay off some bills.

I'm not a victim in this situation because I purposely placed myself in that situation and allowed you to steal from me for my own personal goal.

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Personally, if I was trolling someone, on a thread they started, and they, not I, were to get muted, I would consider that a win. And honestly, I'm not trying to troll you, but you seem like you either a) are acting like you don't understand this / this isn't what happened / this isn't logical\doesn't make sense, or b) you're actually dumb enough to not realize how/think the 'trollers' should be enjoying the fact that you got muted. I'm leaning towards a.


I'm not denying the fact that I got muted is a win, I even stated that in the previous post that it was a "bonus", but that is exactly what it is, a bonus. It was not the intent and I'm smart enough to realize that.

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Edit: Also, I don't think it matters weather or not you can troll someone who is muted. That was never debated. However, you were trolled and as an eventuality of that you were muted. This would be considered an effect of you getting trolled; you couldn't post because the troll, thus you were in the process of being trolled the entire 24 hours.


Simply put, your goal can not be to troll and have me muted simultaneously.


I was not "trolled for 24hrs". There weren't any trolling done after I got muted, the thread effectively died. Then all of the sudden, when I come back, people started posting again, i.e. you. This completely supports my claim that your intention was not to mute me, but to ridicule me in attempt to make myself look foolish.


If it had been any trolling, it would have been because they knew I was going to come back within 24 hours, which supports the desire of me NOT being muted. Otherwise, why don't you make up a fictitious person and just troll him/her for your heart's desire?!?!?!

It has been well established that I only respond to other posts, so if you don't want me talking, then you would simply stop replying to me. But people don't, because that's not what they want. The fact that I got muted is just a funny bonus that just so happened. It was never the original intent, because if you didn't want me talking, then you wouldn't attempt to troll me.

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Here's a metaphor.
A bully punches a kid at school. All the other kids see. The kid who was punched wasn't hurt by the blow, but all the other students saw and made fun of him. The bully intended to hurt the kid, but didn't. Instead he caused the kid to get ridiculed by his schoolmates. The bully is still successful because he caused the kid some form of unhappiness (ignoring the unhappiness associated with being punched), even though his original goal of causing the kid physical pain was unsuccessful.

You are the kid who got punched.
The trollers are the bully.
Everyone else are the kids making fun of you (the kid who got punched).
You getting muted represents the kids laughing at the bullied kid.


Here's a metaphor

Kid A in school has been having conflicts with kid B in school. Kid A knows that Kid B has aggressive behavior and loves attention. Kid A knows that if he were to walk up to him in the court yard during lunch that Kid B would make a scene and try to hit him with a left hook. Kid A has been looking for a fight, but he doesn't want to start it because he would get in more trouble, so it's best to allow Kid B to start the fight in front of everyone so he can deal damage by "defending" himself.

Kid A walks up to Kid B and sure enough he does exactly what he anticipated. He gathered a big crowd and swung a left hook. Kid A, predicting his move, dodges it and round house kicks kid B in the face. As kid B falls down, his right leg accidentally bumps up against Kid A's leg while he's in the air, causing him to stumble down, falling on his butt.

I'm Kid A who predicted your movements, lead you into attacking me and roundhouse kicked you in the face who later just so happen to fall down, but got back up.

The trollers are Kid B who got kicked in the face but wants to focus on the fact that kid A fell on his butt in order to bypass their own embarrassment.
#111 Jun 26 2010 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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Simply put, your goal can not be to troll and have me muted simultaneously.
Yes it can. It wasn't here, but it could have been. The mute was just an added bonus this time.
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#112 Jun 26 2010 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes it can. It wasn't here, but it could have been. The mute was just an added bonus this time.


Please explain, maybe I am mistaken...
#113 Jun 26 2010 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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Yes it can. It wasn't here, but it could have been. The mute was just an added bonus this time.


Please explain, maybe I am mistaken...


I can't speak for Ugly, because I can't lower myself to speak like a Canadian, but I have been known to troll with the intent of driving someone off the board or to suicide. In either of those events, it isn't important if they keep posting.

#114 Jun 26 2010 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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the lengths of alma's posts are directly proportional to his obliviousness.
#115 Jun 26 2010 at 4:47 PM Rating: Default
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Yes it can. It wasn't here, but it could have been. The mute was just an added bonus this time.


Please explain, maybe I am mistaken...


So then you are a moron?
#116 Jun 26 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Default
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I can't speak for Ugly, because I can't lower myself to speak like a Canadian, but I have been known to troll with the intent of driving someone off the board or to suicide. In either of those events, it isn't important if they keep posting.


Maybe I'm reading to deep into it, but the way I see it is, "driving someone off the board or suicide" has the same conclusion of being mute, not talking.
#117 Jun 26 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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That's not reading too deep into it, that's reading it at face value.
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#118 Jun 26 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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Simply put, your goal can not be to troll and have me muted simultaneously.


So you think it's impossible to want to torture someone to death, then?

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever, but even if it did it would still require people to be unable to have goals that are illogical or self destructive.
#119 Jun 26 2010 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't speak for Ugly, because I can't lower myself to speak like a Canadian, but I have been known to troll with the intent of driving someone off the board or to suicide. In either of those events, it isn't important if they keep posting.


Maybe I'm reading to deep into it, but the way I see it is, "driving someone off the board or suicide" has the same conclusion of being mute, not talking.


Uh, yeah. You're participation isn't really required here. I mean, I don't read anything you post beyond one or two sentences, anyway. By now it should be plainly obvious that when I post it is *************

Let me put it this way: tonight, someone could abduct you, chain you to the bumper of their pick-up and drag you around back-woods dirt-roads till you're nothing but runkly little burnt bits of flesh and 'fro and sickle-cell all stuck to a skeleton, and tomorrow I'd post about how your kind is always looking for a free ride.

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#120 Jun 26 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
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#121 Jun 26 2010 at 9:19 PM Rating: Default
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Uh, yeah. You're participation isn't really required here. I mean, I don't read anything you post beyond one or two sentences, anyway. By now it should be plainly obvious that when I post it is *************

Let me put it this way: tonight, someone could abduct you, chain you to the bumper of their pick-up and drag you around back-woods dirt-roads till you're nothing but runkly little burnt bits of flesh and 'fro and sickle-cell all stuck to a skeleton, and tomorrow I'd post about how your kind is always looking for a free ride.


I don't believe that.... I could be wrong, but I bet if I were to go back and check through the last few weeks of posts, that my name was probably never brought up once till the last time I posted something. Matter of fact, I've only seen my name once brought up without me there and that was in a ding post.
#122 Jun 26 2010 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I could be wrong

The laws of probability demand it.
#123 Jun 26 2010 at 10:18 PM Rating: Default
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So you think it's impossible to want to torture someone to death, then?


I wasn't going to respond, but I guess you deserve a response more so than some of these other people....

I don't think it is impossible, but during the time you wanting a person to be tortured, you want them to be alive to feel the pain, other wise you would just shoot them in the head. You can not want them to feel pain and be dead at the same time. It's either one or the other.
#124 Jun 26 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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You don't want to torture them indefinitely, either. I mean, surely you have better things to do with your time at some point. So when they die it's sort of a "oh good, I can get on with things" scenario.

You can analogize this to your own situation however you like.
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