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#102 Jun 15 2010 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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Is this really what American politics is? A bunch of partisan ********* A senator assaulting someone, no matter how idiotic they are, is ridiculous and shameful regardless of his party. You guys are gonna be in a big hole of **** for a long time unless you can get over this party line nonsense.
#103 Jun 15 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, it's like this all the time, especially when the people getting assaulted are plants from the opposite party trying to deliberately stir the hornets nest.
#104 Jun 15 2010 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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catwho wrote:
Yeah, it's like this all the time, especially when the people getting assaulted are plants from the opposite party trying to deliberately stir the hornets nest.
Anything to avoid talking about the issues, I guess.
#105 Jun 15 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Default
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Nothing like validating outrage by manufacturing it.


/shrug

I would suggest that to a degree *all* public outrage is "manufactured" to some degree. What makes it "public outrage"? How do you know when it's happening? When something happens in the news you might think "Wow. That's just wrong!", but if that's the end of it, then that's the end of it. If the news decides to run a story about how outraged people are about that something, guess what? The story continues and now it's about how outraged people are about said thing. Given the volume of stories in which this *could* be done, it's kinda telling to pay attention to which ones it *is* done.

And not to place all the blame on the media industry itself, there are whole organizations which seem to exist for not much else than to create exactly that sort of public outrage. They pick and choose which things they then make a big deal about, and they have enough pull with the media to get their "outrage" covered. Done properly, they can keep a story which might be forgotten in a couple days in front of the people for several news cycles.

Please tell me you didn't just realize that this goes on?
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#106 Jun 15 2010 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho wrote:
Yeah, it's like this all the time, especially when the people getting assaulted are plants from the opposite party trying to deliberately stir the hornets nest.


At what point did asking an elected official whether he supported the agenda of the President of the United States become equivalent to "trying to deliberately stir up the hornets nest". Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I would hope and expect that a member of congress should be willing and able to explain his own political positions, regardless of who's asking.

It's not like they were throwing spitballs at him or anything, or calling him names. Unless having it implied that a member of a party might agree with the leader of his own party's agenda is now considered some kind of verbal assault? I'm just not sure what was done to earn that sort of reaction.
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#107 Jun 15 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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If it was a deliberate attempt at antagonism, then Etheridge gave in faster than a drunk cheer leader on prom night.

Edited, Jun 15th 2010 8:35pm by Allegory
#108 Jun 15 2010 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
It's the wording of it. The Democrats don't use the phrase "the Obama agenda" - only people on the opposite side of the fence do. It's the "Democrat" agenda, or more often, conflicting agendas within the liberal ideological spectrum.
#109 Jun 15 2010 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that's crazy talk. Sure there's circumstantial for a deliberate attempt at antagonism, but there is nothing in the video to indicate with any certainty beyond that. And all the supposition in the world behind the interviewer's motive doesn't really change what occurred.

Edited, Jun 15th 2010 8:38pm by Allegory
#110 Jun 15 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho wrote:
It's the wording of it. The Democrats don't use the phrase "the Obama agenda" - only people on the opposite side of the fence do. It's the "Democrat" agenda, or more often, conflicting agendas within the liberal ideological spectrum.


So Sarah Palin should have just punched Charlie Gibbs in the face when he asked her whether she believed in the "Bush Doctrine"? Cause he's clearly just some liberal plant stirring up a hornets nest, right?
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#111 Jun 15 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
No, because Sarah Palin asked for that sort of press interview. She agreed to it beforehand. This particular Congresscritter didn't exactly go out of his way to seek press coverage from students.
#112 Jun 15 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho wrote:
No, because Sarah Palin asked for that sort of press interview. She agreed to it beforehand. This particular Congresscritter didn't exactly go out of his way to seek press coverage from students.


I was talking about somehow being justified to become violent with someone asking you a question because they use a phrase that only people on the "other side" of the political spectrum use. But as to the whole "he didn't ask to be interviewed" bit, what prevented him from just walking by and maybe telling them to contact his office if they wanted to get information on his political positions?

He chose to engage them when he turned, asked them who they were, and smacked the camera. I'm not sure how it could possibly matter whether the two kids were actual students on a class assignment, or conservative blogging troublemakers looking to get some embarrassing footage of a Democrat. Heck. If he suspected the latter, what he did was the absolute dumbest thing to do. I just don't know why anyone's even trying that as if it makes some kind of valid excuse.
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#113 Jun 15 2010 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
It's the wording of it. The Democrats don't use the phrase "the Obama agenda" - only people on the opposite side of the fence do. It's the "Democrat" agenda, or more often, conflicting agendas within the liberal ideological spectrum.


So Sarah Palin should have just punched Charlie Gibbs in the face when he asked her whether she believed in the "Bush Doctrine"? Cause he's clearly just some liberal plant stirring up a hornets nest, right?

I disagree with Catwho that the wording of it is important. However, asking Palin about the Bush Doctrine is radically different from asking about the Obama agenda. The Bush Doctrine is a specific point of foreign policy - you can readily agree or disagree with the general idea behind it, and nitpick the details with relative ease. Trying to answer about your feelings towards the Obama agenda, however, is essentially the interviewer going "list off every political view you have and explain the rationale, but by the way, we're only going to take the incriminating soundbites".
#114 Jun 16 2010 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
Cat,

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Yeah, it's like this all the time, especially when the people getting assaulted are plants from the opposite party trying to deliberately stir the hornets nest


Smiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laugh Oh the poor little Democrat can't handle a couple of kids asking him a question so I guess it's ok to strangle them.

Are you really that f*cking stupid? Just about every question W got was a deliberate attempt to "stir the hornets nest".

But hey we already know you don't give a sh*t about the rights of people who have a different political ideology than yourself; so it's all good.
#115 Jun 16 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I just don't know why anyone's even trying that as if it makes some kind of valid excuse


Yes you do. The Democrats expected that this race was a lock and they wouldn't have to spend any money on it. This single act of violence and stupidity has changed all that. If the Democrats can quickly sell the story that these kids asked for what they got they can move on secure in the knowledge that this guys still a lock. If the general public see this as an out of control violent senator attempting to use his position and rank to intimidate citizens then the people of NC will be far less likely to re-elect this guy and the Dems will have to spend money they wouldn't have had to otherwise.

That's why the liberals on this site are like 'meh he's not my reprsentative and the kids started it anyway'. They know they're in trouble in Nov and things like this make it that much harder on them to retain the power they've been abusing.

#116 Jun 16 2010 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's why the liberals on this site are like 'meh he's not my reprsentative and the kids started it anyway'. They know they're in trouble in Nov and things like this make it that much harder on them to retain the power they've been abusing.

You have a profoundly distorted view of how much electoral power the posters on this forum wield.
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#117 Jun 16 2010 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

It's not just the liberal posters on this forum alone but that groupthink mentality.
#118 Jun 16 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's not just the liberal posters on this forum alone but that groupthink mentality.

You were the one ascribing motive to the posters "on this site", not me. I'm not sure what sort of "power" you think we've been abusing. Rate-down powahs?

The amount of concern or lack thereof I have for this incident will have zero impact on the November elections.
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#119 Jun 16 2010 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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The amount of concern or lack thereof I have for this incident will have zero impact on the November elections.


But the amount of coverage this event receives will have a direct impact on the outcome of the Nov elections; and specifically which states receive what funding.

Do you remember the Maccaca incident a couple of years ago? Allow me to refresh your memory;

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During the 2006 campaign, the Washington Post effectively torpedoed Sen. George Allen’s re-election campaign by making a federal case — more than a dozen front-page stories — out of Allen’s calling a Democrat video stalker “macaca,” whatever that meant. As you can see from the clip above, Allen made an off-hand reference, using a nonsense word, and the left went batty trying to divine the hidden racism implicit in Allen’s goofy remark. Allen paid for his media-manufactured “macaca” tempest with his Senate seat



http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/06/14/macaca-this-the-tu-quoque-left-violence-the-msm-and-the-rise-of-the-flip-cam-citizen-journalist/
#120 Jun 16 2010 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
But the amount of coverage this event receives will have a direct impact on the outcome of the Nov elections; and specifically which states receive what funding.

Do you remember the Maccaca incident a couple of years ago?

Sure. That has nothing to do with this forum though or the motives of anyone here in judging the story.

At most this story would have a direct impact on the November race in that district. People in Indianapolis aren't going to vote based on what an unknown guy in North Carolina did. Even the Allen story didn't really move out of Virginia (The Post being essentially a Virgina newspaper). We never even had a real thread about it on this forum, just a couple off-hand references.
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#121 Jun 16 2010 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Is this really what American politics is? A bunch of partisan bullsh*t?
What are you talking about? Taliban Jack plays those same tactics.
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#122 Jun 16 2010 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

It has everything to do with the power of perception. In this charged political climate don't you think if the national msm were to thoroughly cover this incident night after night for 3 weeks it might affect swing votes across the nation?

#123 Jun 16 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sometimes a story has legs. The George Allen incident, for example, had legs because there was plenty of racist dirt to dig up.

If it turns out that Etheridge has a pattern of being a physically abusive *******, then I'll be more interested in following his fall from power. If this is an isolated incident, then I'm staying with "meh".

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knoxxsouthy wrote:
In this charged political climate don't you think if the national msm were to thoroughly cover this incident night after night for 3 weeks it might affect swing votes across the nation?

Probably not. And you're somehow conflating the Washington Post, which again is based in the Virgina media market and was covering a VA candidate, for "the national mainstream media". The Chicago Tribune, for example, had little to say about Allen largely because people in the Chicago media market aren't really interested in coverage of Virgina candidates.
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#125 Jun 16 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
In this charged political climate don't you think if the national msm were to thoroughly cover this incident night after night for 3 weeks it might affect swing votes across the nation?

Probably not. And you're somehow conflating the Washington Post, which again is based in the Virgina media market and was covering a VA candidate, for "the national mainstream media". The Chicago Tribune, for example, had little to say about Allen largely because people in the Chicago media market aren't really interested in coverage of Virgina candidates.

In fairness to Varus, Rush & Hannity rarely mention the Chicago Tribune, because it's in fly-over country. The Washington Post is covering the Capital and, as such, warrants more coverage by the right wing media outlets. To him the Washington Post is national news.
#126 Jun 16 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
Moe,

A senator assaulting a reporter should be national news; and would be if this involved a member of the GOP.

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