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#77 Jun 15 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Ash? You do get that cable news channels like Fox, CNN, and MSNBC are a mix of journalism and editorial commentary, right? It's like the difference between watching the evening news broadcast (which is supposed to be impartial reporting) and watching an episode of "60 Minutes". They do exactly the same thing on those other cable networks, so it's more than a little absurd to compare Fox to the evening news on ABC.

The startling difference between Fox and CNN or MSNBC isn't that they have opinions or make commentary on the news (they all do that), but that Fox actually allows conservative viewpoints in addition to liberal ones). Their tagline isn't "unbiased", it's "fair and balanced". Where the other cable networks have pretty much only liberal opinions expressed, Fox contains both.
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#78 Jun 15 2010 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Ash? You do get that cable news channels like Fox, CNN, and MSNBC are a mix of journalism and editorial commentary, right?
Fox, CNN and MSNBC should stop calling themselves "news networks" then. As a young adult, I was expecting these stations to be national news, not political ramblings.
#79 Jun 15 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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you defending your favorite news team is cute.
#80 Jun 15 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to point this out every single time, but they have a roughly equal number of liberal and conservative pundits on their panels.

So does CNN when I watch it. Hell, maybe MSNBC does for all I know. Having some conservatives or liberals on a panel or inviting in two opposing views to discuss an issue isn't anything magical or rare. Hell, they do it just to create conflict and drive ratings.

And for every five minutes of "balanced" panels, you get an hour of Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Huckabee and Palin's BFF Greta.
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#81 Jun 15 2010 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Ash? You do get that cable news channels like Fox, CNN, and MSNBC are a mix of journalism and editorial commentary, right?
Fox, CNN and MSNBC should stop calling themselves "news networks" then. As a young adult, I was expecting these stations to be national news, not political ramblings.


Then your issue is with cable news channels, not with Fox news specifically. I get that reality doesn't match your expectation, but that doesn't mean you should single out just one channel. Fox news doesn't do this to any greater degree than the others. It just doesn't have an overwhelming liberal slant and so it's "shocking" to those who've been used to such slant in their political commentary.


Joph. CNN was the channel where I did my "mixed panel experiment" several years ago. I'm thinking I need to do it again so that I have a more topical issue (since I can't for the life of me even remember the topic at the time and I lost the recordings). Now maybe that was a non-typical day on CNN, but I tend to flip back and forth between it and Fox (MSNBC isn't even remotely non-partisan and is laughable about it) and the differences are noticeable.

Obviously this is about perception as well. As a conservative, I'm going to notice liberal bias more than conservative bias. As a liberal, you're going to notice the opposite. Neither tells us whether one is "more biased" than the other. However, the polls showing viewership between Fox, CNN, and MSNBC would seem to indicate that Fox has a much more balanced viewership than the other channels. If Fox were so rabidly conservative, why are so many self-described liberals watching it? One might guess that maybe that label is applied by those other channels which are so far left that moderate liberals would rather watch Fox than their channels. Which somewhat invalidates their claim. It's the far far left labeling anything that isn't in lockstep with them as "conservative".


Of course, that's one interpretation. There are others I suppose.
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#82 Jun 15 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Joph. CNN was the channel where I did my "mixed panel experiment" several years ago.

Even you admit that this wasn't a very objective experiment.

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If Fox were so rabidly conservative, why are so many self-described liberals watching it?

Boredom? Hear opposing view points? Find out what the nutty IT guy from work will be parroting tomorrow? Who cares?

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Of course, that's one interpretation. There are others I suppose.

Yeah. Probably. You've also failed to mention the nine hours daily of conservative pundits hollering about how Obama is an evil socialist. That's excluding laughable hacks like Megyn Kelly. When about 40% of your broadcast day is made of conservative shock pundits, you'll have to excuse me of not fawning over the occasional token Democrat on an opinion panel being asked why Democrats don't realize the Obama Agenda is destined to drive the nation into a thousand years of night.

Edited, Jun 15th 2010 5:19pm by Jophiel
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