Mosque at ground ZeroFollow

And the stupid keeps on coming.

Tulip,



Shut up you stupid *****

I think it's not so much about the reasons or opinions of those who are building or will be working with/at the cultural center, but how that acts as symbolism for others. I don't doubt that a whole lot of good peaceful Muslims simply see this as a way for everyone to "just get along", but it also has the symbolic effect of a flag-raising for radical Muslims. It becomes a symbol that their mission is just and meets with Allah's approval.

Remember that the reason the WTC was targeted was because of its symbolic meaning in terms of US power. To raise the Crescent on top of a building overlooking the hole in the ground where the WTC used to sit would have the same sort of PR effect for radical Muslims as the picture of the flag raising on Iwo Jima had on US citizens. It has a great potential to increase funding and support for additional terrorist actions. In their minds it proves that they are right, and that they can bring down the power of the west and replace it with the Islamic Caliphate system they dream of.


I just think it's a bad idea. Not because I think those who are building it are bad people (although I'd be curious to know what groups their funding is coming from), but because bad people will use it to continue a campaign of violence across the world. It doesn't matter if not a single radical Muslim ever physically attends the Mosque. It's purely about the symbol and how it will be used around the globe.

Symbols do have meaning, and this one is a pretty big one...

To be fair (ha!) it's been roughly 1000 years of intolerance and about half that of a fucking land grab prior to that, the first hundred of which weren't under a religious banner at all.

The problem with, ahem, solving that issue is that we get entirely too much oil from the area.

That's what some people get out of it. But, considering there are 1.5 billion followers & at best, 10s of thousands of Muslim extremists, odds are that isn't what most people are getting out of the Koran. Same with Christianity, as Fred Phelps & co. are certainly in the minority.



If you can let the fear of terrorism justify NOT rebuilding anything, especially at ground zero, then the terrorists won. And really, I think the flag they raise at the top of the new World Trade center, when built, will be a much bigger ******* target than the mosque.

Hello, Yugoslavia 1990s? The political and cultural reasons for the ghastly implosion of Yugoslavia were no greater than the religous reasons. Christian Serbs took the opportunity to literally commit genocide against the Muslim Bosnians in the name of Jesus, and as payback for Muslim religious crimes against Christians that had literally occurred several centuries before under the Ottoman Turks, and had been suspended for at least 50 years of communism.

Don't say that doesn't count as terrorism, since it was under civil war conditions. First, the uniforms don't excuse the commanders and soldiers, since they gave and took illegal orders under international law and the Geneva Conventions. Secondly civilian Christians took the opportunity to put the boot in with their uniformed brethren. Muslims were torched, bombed, shot, raped, tortured, trucked and dumped in mass graves in lakes and trenches.

Every criticism levelled here against Islam can be levelled in the same way against Christianity in parallel examples, and also levelled against every nation, ethnicity and other religion on Earth. At some point in time, some minority or majority of some cultural group has behaved very badly. No-one has any right to point fingers at whole cultures or cultural groups. If we are going to point fingers, we must do so with pin-point accuracy, lest we wind up pointing at ourselves.

Edited, Jun 5th 2010 2:31pm by Aripyanfar

Aripya,



Why not? You don't seem to have any of these qualms when talking down **** germany.

We can, and should, point out the actions taken by its followers. We can always look to the past to justify our current positions but the simple fact remains that Islam is not a religion of peace no matter how much you feel you need to apologize for the acts of certain christians.

So, I guess Catholicism is not a religion of family values?

Clearly Catholics support child abuse. We should ban Catholic churches from being built anywhere near a school, park, library or candy store (simply piggy-back off the current regs of where convicted pervs can live).

Catholicism is a bastardization of Christianity and its practice flies in the face of most of the teachings of the new testament. It is a haven for idolatry and a system set up for abuse. No, it's not a religion of family values.

More tolerance I see.

Also, Samira is all about capital punishment and Moe loooooovvveeesss him some abortions! Sweet juicy abortions!

Look honey, a fallacy!